UAP Congressional Hearing – November 13, 2024 | 13 listopada 2024 | Przesłuchanie w sprawie niezidentyfikowanych zjawisk anomalnych/UFO

Congressional Hearing on Unidentified Aerial Phenomena

A joint hearing of two subcommittees, co-chaired by Chairwoman and Chairman Grothman, is held to discuss unidentified aerial phenomena (UAPs). The hearing aims to provide transparency about government programs and activities related to UAPs, including potential extraterrestrial life or technology.

PL: Wspólne przesłuchanie dwóch podkomisji pod przewodnictwem przewodniczącej i przewodniczącego Grothmana dotyczy niezidentyfikowanych zjawisk powietrznych (UAP). Celem jest zapewnienie przejrzystości programów rządowych i działań związanych z UAP, w tym potencjalnego życia lub technologii pozaziemskiej.

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▶ ⚠️ Zjednoczone przesłuchanie Subkomitetu na Cyberbezpieczeństwo, Informacje o Technologii i Innowacji Rządowej i Subkomitetu na Bezpieczeństwo Narodowe, Granica i Zagraniczne Sprawy.

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Nancy Mace, U.S. Representative

Good morning. This joint hearing of the Subcommittee on Cybersecurity, Information Technology, and Government Innovation and the Subcommittee on National Security, the Border, and Foreign Affairs will come to order. Good morning and welcome, everyone. Without objection, the chair may declare a recess at any time. And I recognize myself for the purpose of making an opening statement right now. Good morning and welcome to today's historic hearing, which I'm co-chairing with Mr. Grothman, whose subcommittee held an important hearing on this topic last year. I want to thank my colleagues on the Oversight Committee, including Mr. Burchett, Mr. Burleson, Ms. Luna, Mr. Moskowitz, Mr. Garcia, for their relentless drive to get answers on UAPs. They've been steadfast in demanding transparency on the sightings reported by military pilots and armed forces. Their commitment to digging for the truth is exactly what this country needs to cut through the secrecy surrounding this issue.

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▶ ⚠️ Dziękuję za wspólnie przesłuchanie dzisiaj o historii, które co-przewodowa z Grothmanem, który podczas ostatniego roku organizowali ważne spotkania na ten temat.

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Nancy Mace, U.S. Representative

And many high-ranking individuals in the military and intelligence communities believe UAPs demand greater attention, and thus the purpose for this hearing today. Former National Security Advisor H.R. McMaster said on Bill Maher's program that, quote, there are phenomena that have been witnessed by multiple people that are just inexplicable by the science available to us. Army Colonel Carl Nell, a member of the federal government UAP task force, said at a conference this past May that non-human intelligence exists, non-human intelligence has been interacting with humanity. This interaction is not new, and it's been ongoing, and there are unelected people in the government that are aware of that. But UAPs remain a controversial topic. I'm not going to name names, but there are certain individuals who didn't want this hearing to happen because they feared what might be disclosed. But we stood firm.

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▶ ⚠️ Dziękujemy naszych kolegach w Komitetie Nadzoru, w tym Burchett, Burleson, Luna, Moskowitz i Garcia za ich nieprzerwany zaprzestanie odpowiedzi na UAP.

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Nancy Mace, U.S. Representative

No amount of outside pressure would ever keep me from pursuing a subject to ground come hell or high water. On that score, I want to thank our witnesses for being here. We have before us a panel of individuals accomplished in the military, in civilian government, in science, and in journalism. Some of the testimony you will hear them deliver today does not reflect well on influential individuals and agencies within the US federal government and perhaps some of our contractors. It's never easy to present such information publicly. So I appreciate our witnesses voluntarily agreeing to being here today. This hearing is intended to help Congress and the American people to learn the extent of the programs and activities our government has engaged in with respect to UAPs and what knowledge it has yielded. This includes, of course, any knowledge of extraterrestrial life or technology of non-human origin.

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▶ ⚠️ Wielu wysokiej rangi osób w służbach wojskowych i inteligencji sądzą, że UAP wymagają większej uwagi, a także cel dla dzisiejszego przesłuchania.

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Nancy Mace, U.S. Representative

If government-funded research on UAPs has not yielded any useful knowledge, we also need to know those facts. Taxpayers deserve to know how much has been invested, how much has been spent. They shouldn't be kept in the dark to spare the Pentagon a little bit of embarrassment. The reality is, despite their enormous taxpayer-funded budgets, the transparency of the Defense Department and the intelligence community have long been abysmal. The Pentagon has failed six consecutive audits. In fact, it's never actually passed one. Adding to this is a runaway over classification of documents and materials, a reluctance to declassify materials when appropriate, and at times an outright refusal to share critical information with Congress. In short, it's not a track record that instills trust. So Congress has tried in recent years to lift the veil and find out if information about UAPs is being withheld, not only from the American public, but also from their elected representatives in Congress.

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▶ ⚠️ Niezależny przyjaciel nigdy nie zaprzestaje badań, choćby się na niego opuszczały wszystkie cenzury. Chciałbym podziękować naszym świadkom za ich obecność. Przed nami panel osób zdolnych w sferze militarny, cywilnego rządu, nauki i dziennikarstwa. Niektóre udowodnienia, które przedstawiają dziś, nie są korzystne dla wpływowych osob i agencji w rządzie USA. To nigdy łatwe do publikacji. Dlatego doceniam, że świadkowie zgoda na przybycie. Tę konferencję chcemy ułatwić Kongresowi i amerykańskim ludziom poznanie rozmiarów programów i działań rządu w sprawie UAP oraz jakie doświadczenia zyskał. To obejmuje, oczywiście, wiedzę na temat życia czy technologii nietkniętej przez ludzi. Jeśli badania finansowane przez rząd na temat UAP nie zapewniają korzystnej wiedzy, to te fakty także powinny być znane. Podatnikom odpowiadamy za ilość inwestycji i wydatków. Nie mogą pozostawać w ciemności, aby uniknąć ponownego szkodzenia Departamentu Obrony. Rzeczywistość jest taka, że mimo ogromnych budżetów podatnikowych, przejrzystość Departamentu Obrony i służby wiedzy nigdy była niska. Departament Obrony nie przeszedł sześciu konkutywnych sprawdzianów finansowościowych. W rzeczy samej, nigdy tego naprawdę nie zrobił. Dodatkowo do tego jest wycofywanie się od klasyfikacji dokumentów i materiałów, odrzucenie ich deklasifikacji, gdy to konieczne, a czasami nawet bezwzględna odrzucenie dzielenia się krytycznym informacjom z Kongresu. W skrócie, to nie jest rekord, który instytuje zaufanie.

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Nancy Mace, U.S. Representative

Part of the transparency effort was legislation created in the Pentagon, the All Domain Anomaly Resolution Office, or AERO, but the new office is struggling to get its footing. A recent statute orally required report from Arrow intended to illuminate the government's historic assessment of UAPs was heavily criticized by those seeking UAP transparency. The report has stoked suspicions Arrow is unable or perhaps unwilling to bring forward the truth about the government's activities concerning UAPs. I'm disturbed that Arrow itself lacks transparency. Even its budget... is kept from the public. So if there is no there to there, then why are we spending money on it and by how much? Why the secrecy if it's really no big deal and there's nothing there? Why hide it from the American people? Because I'm not a mathematician, but I can tell you that doesn't add up. I expect some of our witnesses to share their views on that arrow report.

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Nancy Mace, U.S. Representative

We will also hear from the witnesses today allegations of UAP-related misinformation and disinformation by government officials of which they are personally aware and directly experienced. And we will hear testimony today concerning recent revelations about a purportedly secret UAP program whose existence and findings may have been improperly withheld from Congress. But before we get to the witnesses, we're gonna have a few more opening statements from our colleagues. And one thing I wanted to add at the end of my closing statement is there is a document that will be entered into the congressional record today. Mr. Tim Burchett from Tennessee has this document, and we just distributed it to every member up here on the dais of this document. But this is going to be the original document from the Pentagon about immaculate constellation that Michael Schellenberger delivered to Congress today. So thank you, Mr. Schellenberger, for this information.

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▶ ⚠️ Słuchamy oskarżeń związanych z manipulacjami informacyjnymi i propagandą przez urzędników rządu w sprawie niezidentyfikowanych obiektów latających.

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Nancy Mace, U.S. Representative

We are all reading it in real time now, and Mr. Burchett will enter it into the record, but 12 pages about this unacknowledged special access program that your government says does not exist. So with that, I would acknowledge my colleagues, Mr. Garcia. I want to say, first of all, to Mr. Connolly, who cannot be here today, the ranking member on my subcommittee on cybersecurity. I want to say that I was greatly saddened to hear about the recent news of Mr. Connolly's cancer diagnosis. And I want to convey to him and to all of our colleagues, we wish our very best to you and a full and speedy recovery. And with that, I would acknowledge Mr. Garcia for five minutes.

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Mr. Garcia, U.S. Representative

Thank you. Thank you very much, Chairwoman. I want to thank the Chairwoman and the Chairman both for their continued support and really treating this This discussion and these hearings in a way that's bipartisan, I think one thing that's very important for all of us that are interested in the conversation around UAPs is that this is an area that both Republicans and Democrats, where we may disagree in a lot of other spaces, this is an area where bipartisanship is really important. And in fact, I would add it's critical that we all continue to work together in a way that moves forward with the truth and important disclosure. So we're here to have a bipartisan and serious conversation, I believe, about our national security. We should always ground these conversations in facts, evidence, and the data in front of us. I want to note that we have our witnesses here. I want to thank you all for being here and note that also we, amongst you, have folks that have also served us in our military.

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▶ ⚠️ Słuchamy dziś też świadectwa dotyczącego ostatnich odkryć o tajemnicznym programie UAP, którego istnienie i wyniki mogą być niepoprawnie zabezpieczone przed Kongresem.

Discussion of Unidentified Aerial Phenomena

A congressional hearing on unidentified aerial phenomena (UAPs) is held to discuss the topic and gather information. The chairman of the committee expresses gratitude for the witnesses' attendance and notes that the hearing builds upon a previous public hearing. The discussion focuses on the lack of understanding regarding UAPs, the importance of transparency in government institutions, and the need for evidence-based inquiry.

PL: Przesłuchanie kongresowe na temat niezidentyfikowanych zjawisk powietrznych (UAP) ma na celu omówienie tematu i zebranie informacji. Przewodniczący komisji wyraża wdzięczność świadkom za obecność i zauważa, że przesłuchanie stanowi kontynuację wcześniejszego publicznego przesłuchania. Dyskusja koncentruje się na braku zrozumienia UAP, znaczeniu przejrzystości instytucji rządowych oraz potrzebie dociekań opartych na dowodach.

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Mr. Garcia, U.S. Representative

And I know that for many of you, this has been a difficult process, but I'm very grateful to have you with us today. And thank you for joining us. I also want to note that today's hearing builds on a quite, I think, also historic public hearing that we had many months ago that Mr. Grothman and others helped lead in this very same hearing room where I believe we began a really important public conversation about UAPs. And so I want to thank him for that. And I especially want to thank Chairwoman Mays for her continued advocacy on this topic. I also want to start today with some facts. We know that there are objects or phenomena observed in our airspace, as your witnesses will testify, and also possibly in our oceans. In many cases, we don't know what they are, and this is, of course, why we're discussing UAPs.

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▶ ⚠️ Przedstawiciele opisują obiekty latające, które nie są ustalane i widziane nad bazami wojskowymi.

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Mr. Garcia, U.S. Representative

Now, the All-Domain Anomaly Resolution Office, AERO, has reported hundreds of UAPs that remain, quote, uncharacterized and unattributed, and which, quote, appear to have demonstrated unusual flight characteristics or performance capabilities and require... further analysis. This is our own AERO office. Now, we shouldn't prejudge what they might be. I'm certainly not going to. We need evidence. But we are detecting things, and we know that we don't understand them, and this is worth investigating. Now, the American people have legitimate questions, and I believe it's critical that Congress should help address them. This is about the truth and science and facts. Now, transparency and faith in our institutions is vital in a good democracy. Now, I'm proud to say that this hearing will build on that important bipartisan work, and I want to thank everyone for being involved, including members of our committee.

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Mr. Garcia, U.S. Representative

Now, in our last hearing in July, we heard testimony that a significant number of pilots of major airlines have witnessed UAPs as well, but have no real confidential way of reporting them to the government. We heard that commercial pilots who encounter UAPs may be hesitant to speak openly due to stigma or fear of retaliation. We also know that Aero has reported that, and I want to quote, that most reports still reflect a bias towards restricted military airspace, a result of reporting from military personnel and sensors present in such areas. And so the lack of ability for civilian pilots raises real safety concerns and limits our ability to understand UAPs. UAPs. This is a particular piece of this conversation that I am very interested in. Now, our last hearing inspired us to introduce the Safe Airspace for Americans Act, joined by Chairman Grothwin, Chairwoman Mace, and a bipartisan group of co-sponsors.

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▶ ⚠️ AERO ogłosił setki niezidentyfikowanych obiektów w powietrzu, które potrzebują dalszej analizy.

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Mr. Garcia, U.S. Representative

I see some of our leaders from Safe Airspace for Americans Act here, and that would create a safe reporting for UAP process, which we want to continue to do. Now, members of both parties and senior officials in multiple administrations have now taken an interest in this issue. Mainstream media in many cases have beginning to take more of an interest in this issue, and we should all be proud to carry that work and build confidence for the American people. I believe we can always be more transparent. To me, this hearing and others are simply about the truth and getting to the facts of what these UAPs actually are. It's very important that we show that Democrats and Republicans in Congress can work together to cut through misinformation and look for a serious and thoughtful way to have the discussion in public. Many of us have also called for additional public hearings to discuss UAPs.

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▶ ⚠️ Amerykańscy ludzie mają prawidłowe pytania i zaufanie do instytucji jest ważne w demokracji.

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Mr. Garcia, U.S. Representative

This should be a topic that continues on throughout the Congress so that we can gather more information, data, and work with the relevant agencies to gather more information. Finally, I just want to add that those that are here on this dais, many of us have participated also in classified briefings as well, and where we have also gained a lot of important, I think, and interesting information, at least I personally think. And so with that information, we want to continue today's hearing, and I thank all of our witnesses for being here. And with that, I'd like to yield back.

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▶ ⚠️ Posiedzenie to będzie kontynuacją istotnych działań bi-partisanów, a my chcemy dalej pracować nad tym zespołem współpracowników.

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Nancy Mace, U.S. Representative

Thank you, Mr. Garcia, and I'd now like to recognize Mr. Grothman for a five-minute introduction.

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Glenn Grothman, U.S. Representative

Thank you. Good morning. I'd like to thank our witnesses for being here one more time. This is a topic I've been interested in since eighth grade. I'd like to thank Ms. Mace for working with me on this topic and for making this a joint subcommittee hearing. Last year, the Subcommittee on National Security of the Board of Foreign Affairs held a historic hearing to understand the potential national security risk of unidentified anomalous phenomena, or UAPs. We heard from former Navy Commander David Fravor, who shared firsthand experience with the UAP, engaged while on duty in the Pacific. We learned from David Gresh, a former member of the intelligence community, who revealed the supposed existence of secret government programs hidden from congressional oversight. Additionally, former military pilot Ryan Graves informed us of the limited ways in which the military and commercial pilots can report UAP sightings.

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▶ ⚠️ W posiedzeniu z lipca przedstawiciele głównych linii lotniczych mówią, że spotykają niezidentyfikowane obiekty w powietrzu.

▶ ⚠️ Dziękuję, panie Grothman, chciałbym teraz zwrócić uwagę na przedstawienie ośmiominutowe.

▶ ⚠️ Pan Grothman podzieli się swoim doświadczeniem ze wspomnianego tematu od 8 klasy szkoły. Dziękujemy pani Mace za pracę nad tym projektem i dla wspólnego przeprowadzania sesyjnych rozmów.

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Glenn Grothman, U.S. Representative

Since that last hearing, I've led several briefings with government agencies to deepen my understanding with these issues. First, the Department of Defense Inspector General's Office informed us that the Department of Defense does not have a streamlined process for service members to report UAP activity. Since then, the Joint Chiefs have implemented standards for UAP reporting across the services. The Intelligence Community Inspector General informed us that whistleblowers often fear retaliation for reporting mismanagement of highly sensitive government projects or information. Finally, AARO has expressed to the committee that like any other federal government agency, it's faced challenges in its establishment, specifically in in hiring staff to manage UAP historical records and coordinating with other federal agencies.

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Glenn Grothman, U.S. Representative

While these agencies have been helpful to us in understanding the challenges that come from collecting UAP data, none of them have been able to substantiate the claims made at this hearing last year by David Grush. Despite our committee members endlessly questioning these agencies inside and outside of a SCIF, I hope our witnesses today will be able to provide evidence and content that is worthwhile to our pursuits of eliminating government waste and increasing transparency. To help alleviate some of the roadblocks, I'm supportive of measures that were included in last year's National Defense Authorization Act to increase transparency and improve record-keeping measures when it comes to UAPs. But I believe there's still more work to go. I co-led the Safe Airspace for Americans Act with running member Garcia, which required which requires the Federal Aviation Administration to develop procedures to collect UAP data from civilian aviators.

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▶ ⚠️ Przepis Safe Airspace for Americans Act tworzy bezpieczne zgłaszanie nieznanej natury, które chcemy dalej rozwijać.

▶ ⚠️ W czerwcu ubiegłego roku Subkomisja na Bezpieczeństwo Narodowe Komisji Zagranicznej przeprowadziła historię sesyjną, aby zrozumieć ryzyko dla bezpieczeństwa narodowego niezidentyfikowanych anomalii (UAP).

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Glenn Grothman, U.S. Representative

I look forward to working with members of Congress to see that this legislation and other UAP legislation crosses the finish line. I'm deeply alarmed by the reporting of the massive drone swarm that flew over Langley Air Force Base in Virginia last December. Langley is the home of the first fighter wing, which maintains half of the F-22s in the U.S. Air Force inventory. Reports of this incident indicate these drones were roughly 20 feet long, flying more than 100 miles an hour at an altitude of over 3,000 feet. Yet the origin of these drones and their operators remains a mystery. This incident and other sightings near sensitive military installations highlights the complexity of the UAP challenge facing our intelligence, defense, and homeland security committees.

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▶ ⚠️ W tym czasie David Fravor, były komendant Marynarki Wojennej, opowiedział o swoich doświadczeniach ze zwierciadła w Pacyfiku.

Investigating Unidentified Aerial Phenomena

The transcript excerpt discusses the importance of transparency and bipartisanship in addressing unidentified aerial phenomena (UAPs) and their implications on national defense. It highlights the need for updated policies, effective interagency cooperation, and intelligence sharing to address emerging threats. The speakers also emphasize the importance of respecting national security limits while providing information and oversight to the public.

PL: Fragment transkrypcji omawia znaczenie przejrzystości i współpracy ponad podziałami politycznymi w kwestii niezidentyfikowanych zjawisk powietrznych (UAP) oraz ich wpływu na obronność kraju. Podkreśla potrzebę aktualizacji polityk, skutecznej współpracy między agencjami i wymiany informacji wywiadowczych w celu przeciwdziałania nowym zagrożeniom. Mówcy zaznaczają również znaczenie respektowania ograniczeń związanych z bezpieczeństwem narodowym przy jednoczesnym zapewnieniu informacji i nadzoru opinii publicznej.

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Glenn Grothman, U.S. Representative

Whether these phenomena are the result of foreign adversaries developing advanced technologies or something else entirely, we must take them seriously, investigate them thoroughly, and assess their implications on national defense. The repeated UAP sightings around sensitive military sites underscores the need for innovative defensive strategies beyond traditional measures. They also highlight the urgent need for updated policies to address emerging threats as well as more effective interagency cooperation and intelligence sharing. However, none of this is going to be possible without transparency. For far too long, critical information about UAPs has been either classified or ignored, leaving the American public and key congressmen without clarity needed to make informed decisions. Declassifying reports and fostering a more open dialogue about UAPs will not only increase the public trust, but also encourage collaboration between government, the scientific community, and our allies.

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▶ ⚠️ Dzięki temu David Gresh, byłym członkowi społeczności wiedzy, odkryło tajemnicze programy rządowe ukryte przed kontrolą parlamentarną.

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Glenn Grothman, U.S. Representative

Quite frankly, there's been things that have been kept secret that is, I think, old enough that there is no reason it shouldn't be released, regardless of any so-called private information. A transparent approach will allow us to share insights, identify patterns, and develop new strategic defenses. As we continue to investigate these phenomena, we must do so with a mindset of protecting our country, advancing scientific discovery, and upholding the trust of the American people, who right now I don't think have trust. And it's just obvious I don't have trust. We cannot shy away from the unknown, especially when the stakes are so high. I look forward to discussing these matters with the witnesses today. I'm hopeful we can learn from the testimony and come out of this hearing with actionable ideas to advance UAP transparency. Actually, the idea is just to say, in my mind, go back 15 years and everything has to be released.

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▶ ⚠️ Ryan Graves, były pilot wojskowy, informował nas o ograniczeniach związanych z raportowaniem obserwacji UAP przez pilotów wojskowych i komercyjnych.

▶ ⚠️ Od tego czasu, Jednostka Główna Wspólnoty Wojskowa zaimplementowała standardy raportowania UAP w całej szerokości usług.

▶ ⚠️ Czy te zjawiska są efektem rozwijania technologii przez wrogów zagranicznych czy coś innego, trzeba je traktować poważnie, dokładnie badać i ocenić ich implikacje dla obrony narodowej.

▶ ⚠️ Wielokrotne widzenia UAP w okolicach ważnych stanowisk militarnych pokazują potrzebę innowacyjnych strategii obronnych poza tradycyjnymi środkami.

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Glenn Grothman, U.S. Representative

I'm hopeful that we can learn from their testimony and come out of this hearing. And with that, I yield back.

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Nancy Mace, U.S. Representative

Thank you. I will now recognize Mr. Moskowitz for a five-minute introduction.

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▶ ⚠️ Osoby sądowe opisują niezidentyfikowane obiekty latające widoczne nad bazami wojskowymi.

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Jared Moskowitz, U.S. Representative

Thank you, Chairwoman. Good morning, everyone. I first want to thank the chairs and ranking members for holding the hearing today on this topic and, again, having a second hearing. I want to thank the witnesses for coming forward today to share your expertise on UAPs and the need to build trust through transparency. But first, I want to mention, you might be wondering why Chairman Comer has allowed me to be a ranking member today, but It's really only because our dear friend Jerry Connolly is not here. As Chairwoman Mace mentioned, he was diagnosed with esophageal cancer, and all of us on this committee know Jerry, and he's a fighter, and we're praying for him and hoping for his speedy recovery. So today's hearing marks this committee's second meeting dedicated to UAP transparency. I was pleased, as I know all of us are, on the bipartisanship

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▶ ⚠️ Zarówno Agencja Bezpieczeństwa Narodowego, jak i Inspektor Generalny Komunikacji Społecznej informowały nas o tym, że świadkowie często się bałą za skutki raportowania nieprawidłowego zarządzania bardzo wrażliwymi projektami rządowymi lub informacjami.

▶ ⚠️ Dziękuję. Teraz przyjmuję pana Moskowitza na cztery minuty wprowadzenia.

▶ ⚠️ Dziękuję, Pani Prezes. Dobry dzień dla wszystkich. Chciałbym najpierw podziękować panią prezes i wiceprezes za przeprowadzenie tego dnia słuchania na temat tego tematu, a także za drugi raz organizację takiego słuchania. Chciałbym podziękować świadkom za przybycie dzisiaj i udostępnienie swoich doświadczeń na temat UAP i potrzeby budowy zaufania poprzez przejrzystość. Ale najpierw chciałbym wspomnieć, że możecie się zastanawiać, dlaczego Prezes Comer pozwolił mi być dzisiaj wiceprezesem. To tylko dlatego, że nasza przyjaciółka Jerry Connolly nie jest tutaj. Jak pamiętam panią Mace, została diagnozowana na rak esofagealny i wszyscy na tej komisji znamy Jerry, a on to walka, i modlimy się dla niego i mamy nadzieję na szybką odzyskanie. Dziś przeprowadzony słuchaj oznacza drugi spotkanie tego komitetu związane z UAP, a współpraca między partiami politycznymi. W ubiegłym roku, podczas pierwszego słuchania, widzieliśmy przykład otwartej dyskusji na temat UAP i musimy pozostać zobowiązani do udostępniania informacji ludziom w USA. I myślę, że to zobowiązanie jest oparty na tym, kto tu jest i zobowiązania między partiami politycznymi. Ja sam pracowałem z kilkoma członkami tej komisji, ale chciałbym wyrazić szczególne podziękowanie dla Burchette, Mace, Luna i Garcia. za prace na biurowcie partii bipartycyjnych. W ostatnich latach Kongres przeprowadzał wieloświatowe kroki do większej przejrzystości. W roku 2022, w NDAA, stworzyliśmy Biuro Rozwiązywania Anomali Wszechdziedzinowych, aby badać niezidentyfikowane latające obiekty. razem z ODNI wypuszczającym nieprzeklęcony raport na temat obserwacji UAP. Z 366 obserwacji uwzględnionych w raporcie, 171 pozostało niezidentyfikowane, z kilkoma z tych wydającymi się pokazywać nietypowe cechy lotu lub możliwości wykonania. To dobry sposób na to, żeby nie powiedzieć, co są one. W marcu Arrow odkrył raport dotyczący historii związku rządu USA ze UAP od roku 1945 do dzisiaj. Wcześniej tego roku wzięłam udział w wprowadzeniu UAP Transparency Act, który miałby wymagać deklasifikacji wszystkich dokumentów dotyczących UAP razem z wieloma innych członkami tej komisji. W roku 2024, NDAA wymagało, aby Archiwum Narodowe i Rejestry Stanu stworzyło Kolekcję Dokumentów UAP Niezidentyfikowanych, która obejmowaćby cyfrowe kopie wszystkich dokumentów dotyczących UAP, które mogą być publicznie udostępnione.

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Jared Moskowitz, U.S. Representative

that existed in last year's hearing, and even though we can't talk about what happens in the classified settings, the bipartisanship that has existed in those settings with the questions members have asked. Last year's hearing was a great example of open dialogue about UAPs, and we must remain committed to sharing information with the American people. And I think you see that commitment based on the people here and the commitment across the political spectrum. I personally have worked with multiple members of this committee, but I want to particularly thank Congressman Burchette, Mace, Luna, and Garcia. for working on bipartisan pieces of legislation. In recent years, Congress has taken numerous bipartisan steps towards greater transparency. In 2022, in the NDAA, we created the All-Domain Anomaly Resolution Office to investigate unidentified flying objects. along with ODNI, release an unclassified report on UAP sightings.

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▶ ⚠️ W końcu Agencja AARO oświadczyła nas, że jak każda inna agencja federalna, stawia przed sobą wyzwania w zakresie utrwalania historii UAP i koordynacji z innymi służbami federalnymi.

▶ ⚠️ Wielu osób twierdzi, że informacje o UAPach zostały klasyfikowane lub pominięte przez rząd, co sprawia, że ludzie nie mają wiary.

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Jared Moskowitz, U.S. Representative

Of the 366 sightings included in the report, 171 remain uncharacterized, with some of these appearing to have demonstrated unusual flight characteristics or performance capabilities. That's a nice way of saying we don't want to tell you what they are. In March, Arrow revealed a report on the historical record of U.S. government involvement with UAPs, which covered investigatory efforts going back from 1945 to the present day. Earlier this year, I joined Congressman Burchette to introduce the UAP Transparency Act, which would require the declassification of all documents related to UAPs with many other members of this committee. In fiscal year 2024, the NDA required the National Archives and Records Administration to establish the Unidentified Anonymous Phenomena Records Collection. This collection will include digital copies of all unidentified UAP records that can be publicly disclosed.

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▶ ⚠️ Otwarte podejście pozwoli na dzielenie się informacjami, identyfikowanie wzorów i tworzenie nowych strategii obronnych.

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Jared Moskowitz, U.S. Representative

This commitment in transparency is vitally important and unnecessary over-classification has led to a void of information, which has allowed theories over the decades to foster. When the American people and members of Congress ask, are reports of UAPs credible, we're met with stonewalling. We're met with responses of, I can't tell you. And in fact, we're met with People not wanting us to have hearings. We're met with people not wanting us to ask you questions. In fact, many of us were told not to ask some of you certain questions on certain topics. In a time of heightened distrust of our government institutions, I believe more transparency is not only needed but is possible. And obviously we can respect national security limits, but we also have to provide our constituents with the information and oversight that they have tasked us for. As part of this, government agencies must maintain open lines of communication with members of Congress.

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▶ ⚠️ W tym czasie David Fravor, były komendant Marynarki Wojennej, opowiedział o swoich doświadczeniach ze zwierciadła w Pacyfiku.

▶ ⚠️ Zobowiązanie w sprawie przejrzystości jest bardzo ważne i nadmierna klasyfikacja doprowadziła do braku informacji, co pozwoliło na rozwój teorii przez dekady.

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Jared Moskowitz, U.S. Representative

And there are regular questions that Americans have. What are UAPs? Are they real? Are they ours? How has this technology been developed? How do they get funded? Right? And now we've seen, this has gone from a long time ago where you could discredit people because it's some guy living in a Winnebago. You're able to see people now, these are pilots, these are military, these are folks with serious backgrounds. This has changed the face of this because now we have video. People will have questions. We know there are advanced technology programs. Almost 15 years ago, one of those came out of Area 51 to go after Osama bin Laden. And the only reason we know about that is because one of those helicopters was downed. Americans have questions about whistleblowers who have come forward to talk about retribution. And so I want to thank everyone for being involved today on trying to get more transparency. This has been bipartisan, bicameral.

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▶ ⚠️ Dzięki temu David Gresh, byłym członkowi społeczności wiedzy, odkryło tajemnicze programy rządowe ukryte przed kontrolą parlamentarną.

▶ ⚠️ Amerykanie pytają o wiarygodność raportów nietypowych obiektów latających (UAP), ale dostajemy tylko zakłócenia.

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Jared Moskowitz, U.S. Representative

And as we get into a new administration, the president-elect has talked about opportunities to declassify information on UAPs, and I hope he lives up to that promise. And with that, I yield back.

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▶ ⚠️ Agencje rządowe muszą utrzymać otwarte komunikacje z członkami Kongresu.

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Nancy Mace, U.S. Representative

Okay. Thank you, Mr. Moskowitz. And I would now, committee staff asked me to go ahead and I will do it, to enter into the congressional record. This 12-page document that Michael Schellenberger brought today that describes the Immaculate Constellation government program. So we will do that now. Every member up here has a copy of it. The first section talks about the unacknowledged special access program called Immaculate Constellation. And the second section about USG imagery intelligence. And Representative Luna just told me if I say Immaculate Constellation, I'll be on some list. Maybe a FISA warrant, so come at me, bro, I guess. But without objection, entered in the record. All right, so next we will introduce our witnesses for today's hearing. Thank you so much for being here. Our first witness is retired Rear Admiral Tim Gallaudet, who retired from the U.S. Navy and is now the Chief Executive Officer at Ocean STL Consulting.

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▶ ⚠️ Ryan Graves, były pilot wojskowy, informował nas o ograniczeniach związanych z raportowaniem obserwacji UAP przez pilotów wojskowych i komercyjnych.

▶ ⚠️ Amerykanie mogą się zastanawiać, co to są nietypowe obiekty latające (UAP), czy istnieją, kto ich tworzy i finansuje.

▶ ⚠️ Przesłuchanie wzywa do większej przejrzystości w sprawie tajnych programów rządowych dotyczących UFO.

▶ ⚠️ Krytycy twierdzą, że Ministerstwo Obrony nie ujawnia wszystkich informacji, co budzi wątpliwości co do działań rządu.

Navy Commander’s Testimony on UAP Secrecy

Former Navy commander Rear Admiral Gallaudet testifies before a congressional committee about his experience with unidentified aerial phenomena (UAPs) during a naval exercise off the US East Coast in 2015. He discusses how UAP information is being withheld from senior officials and members of Congress, and recommends establishing robust oversight, enacting the UAP Disclosure Act, and mandating a whole-of-government approach to addressing UAP.

PL: Były dowódca marynarki wojennej, kontradmirał Gallaudet, składa zeznania przed komisją kongresową na temat swoich doświadczeń z niezidentyfikowanymi zjawiskami powietrznymi (UAP) podczas ćwiczeń morskich u wschodniego wybrzeża USA w 2015 roku. Omawia, w jaki sposób informacje o UAP są wstrzymywane przed wyższymi urzędnikami i członkami Kongresu, oraz zaleca ustanowienie solidnego nadzoru, uchwalenie UAP Disclosure Act i wprowadzenie kompleksowego podejścia całego rządu do kwestii UAP.

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Nancy Mace, U.S. Representative

Our second witness is Mr. Lou Elizondo, a former Department of Defense official. and author of a recent bestseller book about UAPs. Our third witness is Mr. Michael Schellenberger, founder of the newsletter Public, and author of a recent journalistic piece about special access programs, including one widely identified as Immaculate Constellation. I swear the staff wants me on a list. Okay, and our last witness today is Mr. Michael Gold, a former NASA official who is also a member of the NASA UAP Independent Study Team. Welcome, everyone. We are pleased to have you today. Pursuant to Committee Rule 9G, the witnesses will please stand and raise your right hands. This is where it gets real. Do you solemnly swear to affirm that the testimony that you are about to give is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? So help you God. Let the record show that the witnesses all answered in the affirmative. We appreciate all of you being here today and look forward to your testimony.

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▶ ⚠️ Od tego czasu, Jednostka Główna Wspólnoty Wojskowa zaimplementowała standardy raportowania UAP w całej szerokości usług.

▶ ⚠️ Przyszła administracja mówi o możliwościach deklasifikacji informacji na temat UAP i przedstawiciele zarządu życzą się, aby prezydent-wydaneź spełnił swoje obietnice.

▶ ⚠️ Świadkowie opisują niezidentyfikowane obiekty latające widziane nad bazami wojskowymi.

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Nancy Mace, U.S. Representative

Let me remind the witnesses that we have read your written statements and they will appear in full in the hearing record. You guys may be seated. Please limit your oral statements to five minutes. As a reminder, please press the button in front of you so the microphone is turned on so that everyone in the room, members included, can hear you. When you begin to speak, the light in front of you will turn green. After four minutes, the light will turn yellow. When the red light comes on, your five minutes has expired, and we would ask that you please wrap it up. So I will first recognize Rear Admiral Gallaudet to please begin your opening remarks.

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Tim Gallaudet, Chief Executive Officer

Thank you, Chairwoman Mace, Chairman Grothman, Ranking Members Connolly and Garcia, and members of the committee. Thank you for this opportunity to testify today regarding Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena, or UAP. Confirmation that UAPs are real came to me in January of 2015 when I was serving as the commander of the Navy Meteorology and Oceanography Command. At the time, my personnel were participating in a pre-deployment naval exercise off the U.S. East Coast. It included the USS Theodore Roosevelt Carrier Strike Group, and this exercise was overseen by the United States Fleet Forces Command, led by a four-star admiral who at the time was also my superior officer. During this exercise, I received an email on Navy's secure network from the operations officer of U.S. Fleet Forces Command. The email was addressed to all the subordinate commanders, and the subject line read in all capital letters, URGENT SAFETY OF FLIGHT ISSUE.

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Tim Gallaudet, Chief Executive Officer

The text of the email was brief but alarming, with words to the effect, if any of you know what these are, tell me ASAP. We are having multiple near midair collisions, and if we do not resolve this soon, we are going to have to shut down the exercise. Attached to the email is what is now known as the Go Fast video, captured on the forward-looking infrared sensor of one of the Navy F-18 aircraft participating in the exercise. The now declassified video showed an unidentified object exhibiting flight and structural characteristics unlike anything in our arsenal. The implication of the email was clear. the author was asking whether any of the recipients were aware of classified technology demonstrations that could explain these objects. Because the DoD policy is to rigorously de-conflict such demonstrations with live exercises, I was confident this was not the case. The very next day, that email disappeared from my account and those of the other recipients without explanation.

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▶ ⚠️ Email zawierało krótki ale przerażający tekst o wielu nieudanych lotach, a także wideo Go Fast.

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Tim Gallaudet, Chief Executive Officer

Moreover, the commander of Fleet Forces Command and the operations officer never discussed the subject. even during weekly meetings specifically designed to address issues affecting exercises like the one in which the Theodore Roosevelt Strike Group was participating. This lack of follow-up was very concerning to me. As the Navy's chief meteorologist at the time, I was responsible for reducing safety of flight risks. Yet it appeared to me that no one at the flag officer level was addressing the safety risk posed by UAPs. Instead, pilots were left to mitigate these threats on their own without guidance or support. I concluded that the UAP information must have been classified within a special access program managed by an intelligence agency. That is a compartmental program that even senior officials, including myself, were not read into.

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Tim Gallaudet, Chief Executive Officer

Last year's UAP hearing before this oversight committee confirmed that UAP related information is being withheld from senior officials and members of Congress. And just this week I learned from former DOD official Chris Mellon that satellite imagery of UAP from a few years ago still has not been shared with Congress. Equally concerning, last year's UAP hearing also revealed that elements of the government are engaged in a disinformation campaign to include personal attacks designed to discredit UAP whistleblowers. Having never signed a nondisclosure agreement regarding UAPs, and now as a private citizen, I have become an advocate for greater UAP transparency from the government. The continued over-classification surrounding UAPs has not only hindered our ability to effectively address these phenomena, but has also eroded trust in our institutions.

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▶ ⚠️ W tym czasie David Fravor, były komendant Marynarki Wojennej, opowiedział o swoich doświadczeniach ze zwierciadła w Pacyfiku.

▶ ⚠️ Krytycy twierdzą, że informacje o UFO są ukrywane w specjalnych programach rządowych.

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Tim Gallaudet, Chief Executive Officer

While I applaud previous bipartisan legislation passed by Congress concerning UAPs, a more comprehensive approach is needed to address the broader implication of UAP on public safety and national security, as well as the socioeconomic opportunities that open UAP research could unlock. Therefore, I recommend Congress take the following action, which I believe will receive bipartisan support. First, establish robust oversight of the Executive Branch's management of UAP information by directing key officials, beginning with the Director of the DoD's All-Domain Anomaly Resolution Office, to provide comprehensive briefings on what the government knows about UAP and does not know. Two, enact the provisions of the UAP Disclosure Act that establish a UAP Records Review Board to ensure independent oversight, transparency, and accountability in the government's handling of UAP information.

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▶ ⚠️ Dzięki temu David Gresh, byłym członkowi społeczności wiedzy, odkryło tajemnicze programy rządowe ukryte przed kontrolą parlamentarną.

▶ ⚠️ Niektórzy pilotowie widzieli niezidentyfikowane obiekty latające nad bazami wojskowymi.

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Tim Gallaudet, Chief Executive Officer

And three, strengthen the UAP Disclosure Act and future reauthorizations with provisions that mandate a whole-of-government approach to addressing UAP. In closing, I will share my personal reasons for speaking out on this topic. First, as a former science agency leader having led the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, I've always sought the truth in human knowledge and thought. Now that we know UAP are interacting with humanity and these include unidentified submerged objects in the ocean, we should not turn a blind eye but instead boldly face this new reality and learn from it. Additionally, at a time when leaders and government leave much to be desired, I feel obligated to show moral leadership on this issue of UAP disclosure by validating the credibility of the courageous men and women who have come out as witnesses and whistleblowers to expose the truth. My speaking out has encouraged others to do the same and it may

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▶ ⚠️ Ryan Graves, były pilot wojskowy, informował nas o ograniczeniach związanych z raportowaniem obserwacji UAP przez pilotów wojskowych i komercyjnych.

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Tim Gallaudet, Chief Executive Officer

It's my hope over time that a number of your constituents will want to know the truth about UAP, and this number will increase to such an extent that the congressional action I've just recommended will become inevitable. Thank you, and I look forward to your questions.

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▶ ⚠️ Wideo Go Fast pokazywało obiekt z cechami lotniczych i strukturalnych, które różniły się od naszej arsenału.

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Nancy Mace, U.S. Representative

Thank you. I will now recognize Mr. Elizondo for his opening statement.

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▶ ⚠️ Od tego czasu, Jednostka Główna Wspólnoty Wojskowa zaimplementowała standardy raportowania UAP w całej szerokości usług.

Whistleblower Allegations of Secret UAP Programs

A former government official testifies before a congressional committee on the existence and secrecy surrounding unidentified anomalous phenomena (UAP), formerly known as UFOs. The witness recounts their experiences and proposes measures to increase transparency and accountability in UAP-related matters, highlighting concerns about misallocated funds, hidden information, and whistleblower retaliation.

PL: Były urzędnik państwowy składa zeznania przed komisją kongresową na temat istnienia i tajemnicy związanej z niezidentyfikowanymi zjawiskami anomalnymi (UAP), wcześniej znanymi jako UFO. Świadek opowiada o swoich doświadczeniach i proponuje środki mające na celu zwiększenie przejrzystości i odpowiedzialności w sprawach związanych z UAP, zwracając uwagę na problemy niewłaściwego wydatkowania środków, ukrywania informacji i represji wobec sygnalistów.

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Luis Elizondo, Researcher, Department of Defense

Greetings, Chairwoman Mace, Chairman Grothman, ranking members Connolly and Garcia, and members of the committee. It is my honor and privilege to testify before you on the issue of unidentified anomalous phenomenon, formerly known as UFOs. On behalf of our brave men and women in uniform and across the intelligence community, as well as my fellow Americans who have awaited this day, thank you for your leadership on this important matter. Let me be clear. UAP are real. Advanced technologies not made by our government or any other government are monitoring sensitive military installations around the globe. Furthermore, the U.S. is in possession of UAP technologies, as are some of our adversaries. I believe we are in the midst of a multi-decade secretive arms race, one funded by misallocated taxpayer dollars and hidden from our elected representatives and oversight bodies. For many years, I was entrusted with protecting some of our nation's most sensitive programs.

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▶ ⚠️ Populacja wykorzystuje słowo "UFO" do opisania niezidentyfikowanych obiektów latających.

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Luis Elizondo, Researcher, Department of Defense

In my last position, I managed a special access program on behalf of the White House and the National Security Council. As such, I appreciate the need to protect certain sensitive intelligence and military information. I consider my oath to protect secrets as sacred, and I will always put the safety of the American people first. With that said, I also understand the consequences of excessive secrecy and stovepiping. Nowhere was this more apparent than in the aftermath of 9-11, which many of us remember all too well. I believe that America's greatness depends on three elements. A, a watchful Congress, B, a responsive executive branch, and C, an informed public. Over the last decade and a half, I learned that certain UAP programs were and are operating without any of these elements.

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Luis Elizondo, Researcher, Department of Defense

Although much of my government work on the UAP subject still remains classified, excessive secrecy has led to grave misdeeds against loyal civil servants, military personnel, and the public, all to hide the fact that we are not alone in the cosmos. A small cadre within our own government involved in the UAP topic has created a culture of suppression and intimidation that I've personally been victim to, along with many of my former colleagues. This includes unwarranted criminal investigations, harassment, and efforts to destroy one's credibility. Most Americans would be shocked to learn that the Pentagon's very own public affairs office openly employs a professional psychological operations officer as the singular point of contact for any UAP-related inquiries from citizens and the media. This is unacceptable.

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▶ ⚠️ Wielu przesłuchiwani twierdzi, że rządy zastanawiają się nad wprowadzeniem otwartości i przejrzystości w sprawie tajnych programów dotyczących UFO.

▶ ⚠️ Wielu świadków opisuje niezidentyfikowane obiekty latające widziane nad bazami wojskowymi, co budzi wątpliwości dotyczące tajemnic rządowych.

▶ ⚠️ Chociaż większość mojego pracy w rządzie dotyczącej tematu UFO pozostaje klasyfikowana, nadmierna tajemnica prowadzi do poważnych złośliwych działań wobec lojalnych pracowników cywilnych, osobno wojskowych i publicznych, aby ukryć fakt, że nie jesteśmy sami w kosmosie.

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Luis Elizondo, Researcher, Department of Defense

Many of my former colleagues and I have provided classified testimony to both the Department of Defense and the Intelligence Community Inspector General, and many of us have subsequently been targeted by this cabal with threats to our careers, our security clearances, and even our lives. This is not hyperbole, but a genuine fact, and this is wrong. To fix these problems, I propose three principal actions. First, Congress and the President should create a single point of contact responsible for a whole-of-government approach to the UAP issue. Currently the White House, CIA, NASA, the Pentagon, Department of Energy, and others play a role, but no one seems to be in charge, leading to unchecked power and corruption. Second, we need a national UAP strategy that will promote transparency and help restore the American public's trust at a time when the public's trust is at an all-time low.

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▶ ⚠️ W czerwcu ubiegłego roku Subkomisja na Bezpieczeństwo Narodowe Komisji Zagranicznej przeprowadziła historię sesyjną, aby zrozumieć r

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Luis Elizondo, Researcher, Department of Defense

This strategy should include a whole-of-government approach, including the academic and scientific communities, the private sector, and our international partners and allies. Third, Congress should create a protected environment so whistleblowers desperate to do the right thing can come forward without fear. As it currently stands, these whistleblowers suffer because of stigma, a code of silence, and concerns about retaliation. These whistleblowers should be encouraged to come forward in ways that protect them against any forms of retaliation. Policies and procedures should ensure that protection. And for those who refuse to cooperate, it is up to the members of this committee and other lawmakers to wield their subpoena power against hostile witnesses and prevent additional government funding to those UAP efforts that remain hidden from congressional oversight. In closing, we as Americans have never been afraid of a challenge.

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▶ ⚠️ Wielu przesłuchiwanych zwraca uwagę na to, że rządy powinny podjąć działania w sprawie otwartości i przejrzystości w sprawie tajnych programów dotyczących UFO.

▶ ⚠️ Mała grupka w rządzie związana z tematem UFO stworzyła kulturę supresji i przemocy, do której byłam samotnie ofiarą, jak i wielu moich dawnych kolegów. To obejmuje nieoczekiwane kryminalne badania, haniebę i starania o zniszczenie wiarygodności. Wielu Amerykanom by się zaskoczyło, że biuro prasowe Pentagonu publicznie wykorzystuje oficera operacji psychologicznych jako pojedynczy punkt kontaktu dla każdej pytania dotyczącej UFO od obywateli i mediów. To nie jest akceptowalne.

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Luis Elizondo, Researcher, Department of Defense

In fact, we thrive on them, whether it's eradicating polio or going to the moon. We don't run from a challenge. We take it head on. To the incoming administration and Congress, I say to you, we need immediate public transparency. And this hearing is an important step on that journey. If we approach the UAP topic in the same way as Americans have met other challenges, we can restore our faith in our government institutions. Together, we can usher in a new era of accountable government and scientific discovery. I believe that we as Americans can handle the truth, and I also believe the world deserves the truth. Thank you, esteemed members of Congress, for your time today. It is profoundly appreciated by many.

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▶ ⚠️ Wielu świadków twierdzi, że rządy powinny podjąć działania w sprawie otwartości i przejrzystości w sprawie tajnych programów dotyczących UFO.

▶ ⚠️ Wielu moich dawnych kolegów i ja przekazałi klasyfikowane świadectwa Departamentowi Obrony Narodowej i Inspektorowi Generalnym Komunikacji i Służb Informacyjnych, a wielu z nas było następnie docelowym tego kabalu zagrożeniami dla naszych karier, bezpieczeństwa ciągłej i nawet życia. To nie jest hiperbola, ale faktyczna rzeczywistość, a to jest złe. Aby naprawić te problemy, proponuję trzy główne działania. Po pierwsze, Kongres i Prezydent powinni utworzyć pojedynczego punktu kontaktowego odpowiedzialnego za całościowy podejście rządowi do problematyki UFO. Obecnie Budynek Państwa, CIA, NASA, Pentagon, Departament Energii i innych osobników wchodzą na scenę, ale nikt nie wydaje się być zarządcą, co prowadzi do bezkontrolowanego władzy i korupcji. Po drugie, potrzebujemy narodowej strategii UFO, która promuje przejrzystość i pomaga odnowić zaufanie publiczną w czasach, gdy zaufanie publiczne jest na najniższym poziomie.

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Nancy Mace, U.S. Representative

Thank you. I ask unanimous consent for Representatives Ogles of Tennessee and Boebert of Colorado to be waived onto the subcommittee for today's joint subcommittee hearing for the purpose of asking questions without objection so ordered. I would now like to recognize Mr. Schellenberger for his introductory remarks.

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▶ ⚠️ Ta strategia powinna obejmować całościowy podejście rządowi, w tym społeczeństwo akademickie i naukowe, sektor prywatny oraz nasze partnerzy i sojusznicy międzynarodowi. Po trzecie, Kongres powinien utworzyć chroniony środowisko dla ludzi zgłaszających się w obliczu krytyki, desperatujących o to, aby robić coś właściwego. Jak na razie te ludzie zgłaszające się cierpią ze względu na stigmatizację, kod milosierdzia i obawy o odwołanie się do kary. Te ludzie zgłaszające się powinni być udogodniani przejściem bezpiecznie, w taki sposób, aby chronić ich przed wszelkimi formami odwołania. Polityki i procedury powinny zagwarantować tę ochronę. A dla tych, którzy odmówią współpracy, to uprawnieni członkowie tej komisji i innych legislatorów powinni wykorzystać swoje prawo do zeznawania przeciwko przeszkadzającym świadkom i uniknąć dodatkowego finansowania takich działań UFO, które pozostają ukryte od kontroli Kongresu. W zakończeniu, jako Amerykanie nigdy się nie bałośmy przed wyzwaniem.

[2246.77s]
Michael Shellenberger Founder Substack | "Public" Newsletter

Chairwoman Mace, Chairman Grothman, Ranking Member Connolly, Ranking Member Garcia, members of the subcommittees, thank you for inviting my testimony. One of Congress's most important responsibilities is oversight of the executive branch in general and the military and intelligence community in particular. Unfortunately, there is a growing body of evidence that the U.S. government is not being transparent about what it knows about unidentified anomalous phenomena. and that elements within the military and the IC are in violation of their constitutional duty to notify Congress of their operations. President-elect Donald Trump and former President Barack Obama have both said that the government has information about UAPs that it has not released. There are other explanations for UAPs that they represent a new form of life or non-human life.

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▶ ⚠️ Głosuje na większą przejrzystość w sprawie tajnych programów rządowych dotyczących UFO.

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Michael Shellenberger Founder Substack | "Public" Newsletter

Current dominant alternative theories, including those put forward by Arrow, are that UAPs are some kind of natural phenomena we don't yet understand, like ball lightning or plasma. They could also be part of some new U.S. or foreign government weapons program, such as drones, aircraft, balloons, CGI, hoaxes, or birds. Whatever UAPs are, Congress must be informed, as must the people of the United States. We have a right to know what UAPs are, no matter what they are. However, we now have existing and former U.S. government officials who have told Congress that Arrow and the Pentagon have broken the law by not revealing a significant body of information about UAPs, including military intelligence databases that have evidence of their existence as physical craft. One of those individuals is a current or former U.S. government official acting as a UAP whistleblower. This person has written a report.

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▶ ⚠️ Faktycznie, żyjemy na nich, czy to eliminacja polio lub podróż do księżyca. Nie uciekamy od wyzwania. Zatrzymujemy się przed nim głowami. Jeśli postawimy temat UFO na tym samym poziomie, jak Amerykanie stawili innego wyzwania, możemy odnowić zaufanie do naszych instytucji rządowych. Razem możemy przejść do nowej erudy powszechnej odpowiedzialności rządowej i odkrywczej nauki. Wierzę, że jako Amerykanie możemy zaakceptować prawdę, a także wierzę, że świat się zasługuje na prawdę. Dziękuję bardzo uprzejmo członkom Kongresu za wasze czasu dziś. To jest niezmiernie doceniane przez wielu.

▶ ⚠️ Krytycy twierdzą, że Ministerstwo Obrony nie ujawnia wszystkich informacji, co budzi wątpliwości co do działań rządu.

Revealing Secret Military UAP Programs

The transcript reveals a report that suggests the US government has been managing UAP (Unidentified Aerial Phenomenon) issues without congressional knowledge, oversight, or authorization for decades. The report details various UAP sightings, including orbs and disks, and describes incidents where UAPs interacted with military aircraft. It also highlights the struggle of a leading UAP researcher to obtain information from the government through FOIA requests.

PL: Fragment transkrypcji ujawnia raport sugerujący, że rząd USA od dziesięcioleci zajmuje się kwestiami UAP (niezidentyfikowanych zjawisk powietrznych) bez wiedzy, nadzoru i zgody Kongresu. Raport opisuje różne obserwacje UAP, w tym kule i dyski, oraz incydenty, w których UAP wchodziły w interakcje z samolotami wojskowymi. Podkreśla również trudności czołowego badacza UAP w uzyskaniu informacji od rządu w drodze wniosków FOIA.

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Michael Shellenberger Founder Substack | "Public" Newsletter

This is the report that says the executive branch has been managing UAP NHI issues without congressional knowledge, oversight, or authorization for some time, quite possibly decades. Furthermore, these individuals have revealed the name of an active and highly secretive DOD unacknowledged special access program or USAP. The source of that document told me that the USAP is a strategic intelligence program that is part of the U.S. military family of longstanding, highly sensitive programs dealing with various aspects of the UAP problem. The new UAP whistleblower claims that the U.S. military and IC database includes videos and images taken using infrared, forward-looking infrared, full-motion video, and still photography. The report that was just shared with Congress says Immaculate Constellation serves as a central or parent USAP that consolidates observations of UAPs by both tasked and untasked collection platforms.

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▶ ⚠️ Świadkowie opisują niezidentyfikowane obiekty latające widziane nad bazami wojskowymi.

▶ ⚠️ UAP może być nową formą życia lub życia nie-ludzkiego.

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Michael Shellenberger Founder Substack | "Public" Newsletter

Immaculate Constellation includes high-quality imagery intelligence and measurement and signature intelligence of UAPs, the whistleblower's report adds. The sources of this intelligence are a blend of directed and incidental collection capacities, capabilities, position in low Earth orbit, the upper atmosphere, as well as military and civilian aviation altitudes and marine time environments. The report to Congress details in detail various UAPs, including spheres, orbs, disks, saucers, ovals, triangles, boomerang, arrowhead, and irregular organic. The report describes various incidents found in the human intelligence databases. One involved orbs surrounding and forcing an F-22 out of its patrol area. In another incident, the crew of a Navy aircraft carrier watched a small orange-red sphere rapidly descend from a high altitude of 100 to 200 yards directly above the flight deck of the CVN or aircraft carrier.

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▶ ⚠️ Teoria główna jest, że to jakiś rodzaj fenomenu naturalnego, którym nie znamy jeszcze.

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Michael Shellenberger Founder Substack | "Public" Newsletter

And since my reporting on this immaculate constellation last month, another source came forward who told me that they saw a roughly 13 minute long, high definition, full color video of a white orb UAP coming out of the ocean approximately 20 miles off the coast of Kuwait. It was filmed from a helicopter. Then halfway through the video, the person said the orb is joined by another orb that briefly comes into the frame from the left before rapidly moving again out of the frame. The person discovered the video on SIPR, the Secure Internet Protocol Router Network, which the DoD uses to transmit classified information. A leading UAP researcher who utilizes the Freedom of Information Act to find out what the government knows, John Greenwald, told me last year that the U.S. government had been increasingly denying his request for UAP information. He has been doing FOIA requests for 27 years and has an archive of 3 million pages.

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▶ ⚠️ Przesłuchanie wzywa do większej przejrzystości w sprawie tajnych programów rządowych dotyczących UFO.

[2506.50s]
Michael Shellenberger Founder Substack | "Public" Newsletter

The government has for decades denied any interest in UFOs, he told me, but the documents that he has assembled show that behind the scenes it was a completely different story. Contrary to the hopes of many advocates of transparency, the government has been restricting more information since the leak of three UAP videos in 2017. The DOD organization Arrow has been labeling many documents with a B7 exemption, which Greenwald says does not make any sense. They're stating that anything Arrow does is involved in law enforcement investigation, which allows Arrow to not release it. Greenwald says the DOD has denied the existence of a UAP and ATIP-related records on multiple occasions, only to acknowledge them after an appeal was filed. He added that the Naval Air Systems Command in March 2022 stated they found no additional UAP videos.

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▶ ⚠️ Może być również częścią nowego programu broni lub wojskowych działań.

[2551.37s]
Michael Shellenberger Founder Substack | "Public" Newsletter

It seemed strange that they had three and only those three, but other requests had been filed by the Black Vault, that's John Greenwald's group, to seek out more places UAPs might be hiding. Then in September 2022, the Navy admitted that the UAP-related videos and photographs existed, but denied the request in full for their release, saying that the requested videos contained sensitive information that are classified and exempt from disclosure. The DOD will deny things on a Monday and then admit to it on a Friday, said Greenwald. He said the government can and does release videos that protect secret methods of capturing it. They fall back on the sensitive platform excuse a lot, he said. However, the on-screen information can be blurred and scrubbed. The metadata can be removed. I'll show you this example here. This is a presentation from the UATP task force. This is completely absurd. It's nuts, this level of censorship, of redaction on a document.

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▶ ⚠️ Bez względu na to, co są UAP, Kongres musi zostać poinformowany oraz ludzie USA.

▶ ⚠️ Świadkowie opisują niezidentyfikowane obiekty latające widziane nad bazami wojskowymi.

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Michael Shellenberger Founder Substack | "Public" Newsletter

It shows the redaction of how many reports they've collected, for how many years. Two of the three potential explanations are blacked out. The Pentagon, the intelligence community is treating us like children. It's time for us to know the truth about this. I think that we can handle it. Thank you very much.

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▶ ⚠️ Istnieją stanowiska obecnych i byłych pracowników rządu, którzy twierdzą, że Arrow i Pentagon zawiodli w odpowiedzi na pytania Kongresu.

▶ ⚠️ Krytycy twierdzą, że Ministerstwo Obrony nie ujawnia wszystkich informacji, co budzi wątpliwości co do działań rządu.

▶ ⚠️ John Greenwald, lekarz związany z badaniami UFO, powiedział, że rząd odmówia informacji o UFO.

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Nancy Mace, U.S. Representative

Thank you. I would now like to recognize Mr. Gold for five minutes.

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[2628.72s]
Michael Gold Associate Administrator NASA | Space Policy and Partners

Thank you, Chairwoman Mace, Chairman Groffman, Ranking Members Connolly and Garcia, Representative Moskowitz, and distinguished members of both subcommittees. I'm grateful to all of you, as well as your intrepid staff, for the opportunity to testify. I would like to begin by discussing courage. Courage is what it takes to tackle this topic, and courage in the face of adversity is what I see in front of me, beside me, and behind me. Per my introduction, I am currently the chief growth officer at Redwire Space and have had several leadership positions at NASA. That being said, I want to be clear that I am speaking exclusively on my own behalf and not for Redwire, NASA, or any other organization. However, I am here today to speak out for science. Science requires data, which should be collected without bias or prejudice. Yet, whenever the topic of UAP arises, those who wish to explore the phenomena are often confronted with resistance and ridicule.

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▶ ⚠️ DOD organizacja Arrow oznacza wiele dokumentów za pomocą wyjątku B7, co nie ma sensu.

[2683.88s]
Michael Gold Associate Administrator NASA | Space Policy and Partners

For example, members of the NASA UAP independent study team, particularly those in academia, were mocked and even threatened for simply having the temerity to engage in the study of UAP. Our best tool for unlocking the mystery of UAP is science, but we cannot conduct a proper inquiry if the stigma is so overwhelming that just daring to be part of a NASA research team elicits such a vitriolic response. Therefore, one of the most important actions that can be taken relative to exposing the truth of UAP is to combat the stigma, and this is where I believe that NASA can be eminently helpful. The NASA brand is synonymous with hope, optimism, and credibility. If you were to take a walk down the National Mall, you would immediately see the NASA logo on T-shirts, hats, and bumper stickers. Few federal agencies enjoy this kind of popularity. I've never seen anyone wearing an Office of Personal Management T-shirt, which is why NASA could play such an influential role.

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▶ ⚠️ Osoba informująca Kongresu o tajnym programie USAP, który jest częścią rodziny bardzo wrażliwych programów wojskowych związanych z różnymi aspektami problemu UAP.

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Michael Gold Associate Administrator NASA | Space Policy and Partners

Specifically, NASA could, with relatively little cost and effort, host symposia on UAP, or even just participate in existing panels examining the topic. NASA personnel stepping forward and participating in such discussions would make a powerful statement to the scientific community that UAP should be taken seriously and researched accordingly. In regard to research, NASA has vast archives, much of which may contain important UAP data. Again, for relatively little cost and effort, NASA could create an AI or ML algorithm that could search the agency's archives for anomalous phenomena. I suspect that such an effort would not only result in information that will help us to understand UAP, but could result in data that will assist in other areas of scientific inquiry, such as anomalous weather or meteorite activity. Beyond its existing archives, NASA could act as a clearinghouse for civilian and commercial UAP data.

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▶ ⚠️ Dziękuję za możliwość wystąpienia. Chciałbym rozpocząć dyskusję o odwadze, która jest niezbędna do przyjrzenia się tematowi UFO.

▶ ⚠️ Czasami ludzie, którzy chcą badać takie zjawiska, stają się ofiarą oporu i żartów. NASA może pomóc w utrzymaniu niepodległości dowiedzień się na ten temat.

Congressional Testimony on UAP Crash Retrieval Programs

The transcript excerpt from a hearing on Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) features testimony from Mr. Elizondo and questions from Speaker 15. Mr. Elizondo discusses the lack of clear reporting processes for UAP sightings, suggesting the use of NASA's Aviation Safety Reporting System to collect data. He also shares information about advanced technologies monitoring military installations and secret UAP crash retrieval programs.

PL: Fragment transkrypcji z przesłuchania w sprawie niezidentyfikowanych zjawisk powietrznych (UAP) zawiera zeznania pana Elizondo oraz pytania od Mówcy 15. Pan Elizondo omawia brak przejrzystych procedur zgłaszania obserwacji UAP i sugeruje wykorzystanie Lotniczego Systemu Raportowania Bezpieczeństwa NASA do zbierania danych. Dzieli się również informacjami o zaawansowanych technologiach monitorujących instalacje wojskowe oraz tajnych programach odzyskiwania wraków UAP.

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Michael Gold Associate Administrator NASA | Space Policy and Partners

During my work on the UAP independent study team, it quickly became evident that there is no clear or well-publicized process for civilian pilots to report UAP sightings. The stigma associated with UAP hampers the number of pilots that would report such phenomena, but even for those who overcome the stigma, I believe the current FAA guidance is largely unknown and poorly understood. In order to effectively collect UAP data, the independent study team recommended the use of NASA's Aviation Safety Reporting System, or ASRS. This system, which is administered by NASA and funded by the FAA, provides a confidential means for the reporting of safety violations in a voluntary and non-punitive manner. Over 47 years, the ASRS has collected nearly 2 million reports. ASRS is the perfect tool to collect UAP data, which could then be collated by NASA and shared with the public at large. Leveraging ASRS could create a treasure trove of UAP data, potentially hundreds of thousands of reports.

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▶ ⚠️ Dokument informuje Kongres o szczegółach obserwowanych UAP, takich jak sfery, orbity, dyski, saucery, okrągle, trójkąty, boomerangi i nieregularne organiczne.

▶ ⚠️ W przyszłości można stworzyć algorytm, który będzie szukał anomalii w archiwach NASA. To mogłoby pomóc nam lepiej zrozumieć UFO i inne zjawiska fizyczne.

▶ ⚠️ Podczas pracy w zespole niezależnego badania UFO, szybko stało się jasne, że nie ma jasnego ani dobrze publicznego procesu dla ludzi zawodowych, aby zgłosić obserwacje UFO. Stigma związanego z UFO utrudnia liczbę pilotów, którzy by wypowiedzieli takie fenomena, ale nawet dla tych, którzy pokonują stigma, uważam, że obecna orientacja FAA jest głównie nieznana i niewystarczająco zrozumiała. Aby efektywnie zebranie danych o UFO, zespol niezależnego badania polecony ASRS NASA. Ten system, który jest administrowany przez NASA i finansowany przez FAA, udostępnia niewidoczną metodę raportowania naruszeń bezpieczeństwa w sposób dobrowolny i niekarny. W ciągu 47 lat ASRS zebrano prawie 2 milionów raportów. ASRS jest idealnym narzędziem do zbierania danych o UFO, które mogłoby być przeanalizowane przez NASA i dzielone na wyższy poziom. Wspólnie ASRS może stworzyć skarbnicę danych o UFO, co może być setki tysięcy raportów.

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Michael Gold Associate Administrator NASA | Space Policy and Partners

supporting this hearing's goal of exposing the truth. And I'm grateful to our two co-chairs and other members who have already incorporated this idea into proposed legislation. At this hearing, and as others have demonstrated, the UAP issue is justifiably dominated by national security and defense. However, I would urge the subcommittees to keep in mind the numerous ways that NASA and the FAA, as well as commercial activities in the air, in space, and in the water, can generate a massive amount of invaluable data on anomalous phenomena. I cannot help but be excited by the potential for such an endeavor since scientific discovery is driven by anomalies. It's the existence and study of anomalies that led to the theory of relativity, quantum mechanics, and nearly all of humanity's scientific breakthroughs. This is why the study of UAPs should be embraced since whatever is occurring, the chance to garner new knowledge should never be ignored.

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▶ ⚠️ Dokument opisuje różne wydarzenia znalezione w bazach informacji o świadkowaniu ludzi.

▶ ⚠️ Obsługując cel toczącego tego słuchania zdrowego rozumienia prawdy. I jestem wdzięczny dla naszych dwóch ko-prezesów i innych członków, którzy już wprowadzili tą ideę do propozycji ustawodawstwa. Podczas toczącego słuchania, jak inni pokazują, problem UFO jest racjonalnie dominowany przez bezpieczeństwo narodowe i obrony. Jednak chciałbym prosić o subkomitety, aby zachować na myśli wiele sposobów, w jaki NASA i FAA, a także komercyjne działania w powietrzu, w kosmosie i w wodzie, mogą generować ogromny ilości niewiarygodnych danych na anomalie. Nie mogę pomóc się zachwyceniem przez potencjał takiej inicatywy, ponieważ odkrycia naukowe są napędzane przez anomalie. Istniecie i badanie anomalii doprowadziło do teorii względności, mechaniki kwantowej i prawie wszystkich przełomów nauki ludzkości. Dlatego powinien być akceptowany badanie UFO, ponieważ jakiś działający, szansę na zyskanie nowej wiedzy nigdy nie powinna być pomijana.

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Michael Gold Associate Administrator NASA | Space Policy and Partners

We must be thorough in collecting information, fearless in making conclusions, and open to following the data no matter how mundane or extraordinary the results may be. I began this testimony by praising the Joint Subcommittee members for their courage, and I will end by echoing that sentiment. As the saying goes, the truth is out there. We just need to be bold enough and brave enough to face it. Thank you.

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Nancy Mace, U.S. Representative

Thank you. Thank you all. I will now recognize myself for five minutes of questioning. I have a lot of questions and I have a lot of witnesses. So I would just ask if it's yes or no to please just tell me yes or no. If it requires more than that, be very succinct because I would like to go down the line and ask as many questions as possible. So for the Admiral this morning first, former DoD official Chris Mellon reached out to you about satellite imagery from 2017 that depicts a UAP. What were the dates in 2017 when this occurred?

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▶ ⚠️ Musimy być pełnymi danych, odważni w dokonaniu konkluzji i otwarci na podążanie za danymi bez względu na to, jak banalne lub niesamowite mogą być rezultaty. Zacząłem tę przesłuchanie poprzez chwalenie członków Wspólnoty Podkomitetu za ich odwagę, a kończę wypowiadając się na ten temat. Jak mówi dowcip, prawda jest tam. Musimy tylko być odważni i odważni do starcia z nią. Dziękuję.

▶ ⚠️ Dziękuję wszystkim. Teraz przypominam się o 5 minut pytań. Mam sporo pytań i mam sporo świadków. Więc proszę bardzo, jeśli to tak lub nie, proszę powiedzieć "tak" lub "nie". Jeśli wymaga więcej niż tego, być krótkim i skróconym, ponieważ chciałbym przejść do listy pytań i zadać jako wiele pytań, jak to możliwe. Więc dla admirała rano pierwszy, były oficjel DoD Chris Mellon skontaktował się z Tobą o satelitarnym obrazie z 2017 roku, który przedstawia UFO. Kiedy to wydarzyło się w 2017 roku?

[2977.54s]
Tim Gallaudet, Chief Executive Officer

I can't share with you the details, ma'am, but I can do it in a closed setting, and I can also tell you the agency that wrote a report on it.

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[2983.91s]
Nancy Mace, U.S. Representative

Okay, so who has the imagery?

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▶ ⚠️ W teście zaprzecza się przekazywania szczegółów, ale można to robić w zamkniętym miejscu. Może także podać agencję, która napisała raport na ten temat.

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Tim Gallaudet, Chief Executive Officer

I can tell you that in a closed setting.

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[2988.05s]
Nancy Mace, U.S. Representative

Can you describe what was depicted in the satellite imagery? Just a description.

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[2991.74s]
Tim Gallaudet, Chief Executive Officer

It was a UAP, ma'am.

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[2994.22s]
Nancy Mace, U.S. Representative

That's it? No other description?

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Tim Gallaudet, Chief Executive Officer

The term that the analysts used, they called it the button. It was a disc-shaped object.

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Nancy Mace, U.S. Representative

Okay. Where was it?

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Tim Gallaudet, Chief Executive Officer

I can't tell you that, ma'am.

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Nancy Mace, U.S. Representative

Okay. All right. Mr. Elizondo, you state in your testimony that, quote, advanced technologies not by our government or any other government are monitoring sensitive military installations around the globe, end quote. If these technologies are not made by any government, who's making them? Private companies or are you implying they are crafted by a non-human intelligence?

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Luis Elizondo, Researcher, Department of Defense

Well, ma'am, that's precisely why we're here. The problem is that, temporally speaking, over decades, not just the last 10 years, before – to put this in perspective, when we – Are these private companies you're implying, or is this non-human intelligence? It may be both. Okay. When it comes to Blue Force technologies, I would not be able to discuss them. Okay.

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[3047.61s]
Nancy Mace, U.S. Representative

Are you read into secret UAP crash retrieval programs?

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[3051.42s]
Luis Elizondo, Researcher, Department of Defense

We would have to have a conversation in a closed session, ma'am. I signed documentation three years ago that restricts my ability to discuss specifically crash retrievals. I submitted for my book through the DOPSRA process, which took a year for it to be reviewed. And what is in the book is what I was told I'm allowed to talk about.

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▶ ⚠️ Świadkowie opisują niezidentyfikowane obiekty latające widziane nad bazami wojskowymi.

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Nancy Mace, U.S. Representative

Has the government conducted secret UAP crash retrieval programs, yes or no?

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[3072.75s]
Luis Elizondo, Researcher, Department of Defense

Yes.

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[3073.74s]
Nancy Mace, U.S. Representative

Okay. Were they designed to identify and reverse engineer alien craft, yes or no?

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[3077.46s]
Tim Gallaudet, Chief Executive Officer

Yes.

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[3078.40s]
Nancy Mace, U.S. Representative

Does the U.S. government have any reverse – okay, we already asked that question about retrieval programs. Do any U.S. contractors have the same?

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[3087.39s]
Luis Elizondo, Researcher, Department of Defense

I would prefer to address it in a closed session, ma'am.

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[3089.72s]
Nancy Mace, U.S. Representative

Okay. In your book, you mention government employees who've been injured by UAPs placed on leave and receiving government compensation for their injuries. Is that correct?

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[3097.68s]
Luis Elizondo, Researcher, Department of Defense

That is correct.

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[3098.48s]
Nancy Mace, U.S. Representative

How can the government deny we have recovered craft if they're paying people because they've been injured by recovered craft?

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[3105.59s]
Luis Elizondo, Researcher, Department of Defense

Ma'am, that's a great question. That's why I think we're here again, because I've seen the documentation by the U.S. government for several of these individuals who have sustained injuries as a result of a UAP incident.

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[3117.53s]
Nancy Mace, U.S. Representative

It's a crazy idea, right? The hypocrisy and the logic. Okay, Mr. Schellenberger, I'm going to say it again to be very clear. Immaculate Constellation. What's its mission and how are they funded?

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[3131.19s]
Michael Shellenberger Founder Substack | "Public" Newsletter

Its mission is to, as I stated, its mission is to, it's an unacknowledged special access program. Its mission is to document UAPs.

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▶ ⚠️ Termin, który używali analizatorzy, nazywał to przyciskiem. Był to obiekt o kształcie płaskim.

[3142.93s]
Nancy Mace, U.S. Representative

Okay, and do you, for your story and your report, do you have more than one credible source?

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[3147.52s]
Michael Shellenberger Founder Substack | "Public" Newsletter

I do.

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[3147.82s]
Nancy Mace, U.S. Representative

Sourcing, okay. I do. And then why do you believe your sources to be credible? How do you judge the veracity of the documentation you've been provided about this program?

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[3155.96s]
Michael Shellenberger Founder Substack | "Public" Newsletter

I checked the sources, and they are who they say they are. They are current or former government officials. I wanted to also add that I did not specify that they were Defense Department employees. I didn't specify the agency nor the gender.

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[3171.14s]
Nancy Mace, U.S. Representative

Would they have included non-government employees, people that aren't employed by the government?

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▶ ⚠️ Jak rząd może odrzucić, że zostały odzyskane technologie, jeśli płaci ludziom, bo oni zostali pobity przez te same?

[3175.91s]
Michael Shellenberger Founder Substack | "Public" Newsletter

I'm comfortable saying that these are government or previously government employees.

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[3182.03s]
Nancy Mace, U.S. Representative

Any of them currently employed by a private contractor or private contractors?

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[3185.58s]
Michael Shellenberger Founder Substack | "Public" Newsletter

I'd rather not say.

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[3186.72s]
?

Okay.

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[3188.00s]
Nancy Mace, U.S. Representative

What's the key takeaway? Just a few seconds about the Immaculate Constellation document you provided us today.

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[3194.35s]
Michael Shellenberger Founder Substack | "Public" Newsletter

I think that what the American people need to know is that the U.S. military and intelligence community are sitting on a huge amount of visual and other information, still photos, video photos, other sensor information, and they have for a very long time. And it's not those fuzzy images. photos and videos that we've been given. There's very clear... High res? High resolution.

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▶ ⚠️ Pani, to wspaniała kwestia. To dlatego my tu jesteśmy, bo widziałem dokumentację stworzoną przez rząd USA dotyczącą tych osób, które zostali pobity w wyniku wypadku UFO.

[3214.66s]
Nancy Mace, U.S. Representative

How many visuals, graphics, videos, photos?

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[3218.63s]
Michael Shellenberger Founder Substack | "Public" Newsletter

I mean, I've been told hundreds, you know, maybe thousands. I mean, I also wanted to say, because there was some conversation around concern around the revealing of these materials, revealing the source collections, but some of these are shot from helicopters using normal videos of oceans. I just think that's absurd that somehow you're going to be revealing some secret U.S. technology by revealing that you've photographed orbs off the coast of Kuwait.

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▶ ⚠️ To szalona idee, prawda? Hipokryzja i logika. Dzień dobry, pan Schellenberger, będę to powiedzieć jeszcze raz, aby było jasne. Immaculate Constellation. Jaką jest misją tego programu i jak jest finansowany?

[3245.64s]
Nancy Mace, U.S. Representative

Okay, thank you. I have eight seconds. Mr. Gold, did NASA, did the NASA independent study team get briefed on what you call OSAP? Very quickly.

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▶ ⚠️ Mr. Gold odpowiada na pytanie dotyczące przestrzennej sztuki.

Secrecy, NDAs, and UAP Witness Testimony

The transcript excerpts reveal a congressional hearing on unidentified aerial phenomena (UAP) where witnesses discuss government secrecy, document signing, and potential disinformation campaigns. Dr. Elizondo, a former counterintelligence special agent with a legitimate background, shares his experience signing a classified document that restricted his ability to discuss certain UAP-related topics. The conversation also touches on specific incidents, such as the Omaha event, and the reluctance of government agencies to release information on UAP sightings.

PL: Fragmenty transkrypcji ujawniają przesłuchanie kongresowe na temat niezidentyfikowanych zjawisk powietrznych (UAP), podczas którego świadkowie omawiają tajemnicę rządową, podpisywanie dokumentów i potencjalne kampanie dezinformacyjne. Dr Elizondo, były agent kontrwywiadu z udokumentowanym doświadczeniem, dzieli się swoim doświadczeniem związanym z podpisaniem tajnego dokumentu ograniczającego możliwość omawiania niektórych tematów związanych z UAP. Rozmowa porusza także konkretne incydenty, takie jak wydarzenie Omaha, oraz niechęć agencji rządowych do ujawniania informacji o obserwacjach UAP.

[3252.64s]
Michael Gold Associate Administrator NASA | Space Policy and Partners

I flagged the Advanced Aerospace Weapons System Assocation Program to our chair and our DFO. We did not get briefed, but I believe it is definitely worth looking into. That was probably the largest UAP review effort ever, and I think produced a lot of interesting data, including revealing Nimitz. I don't know if my fellow witness, Lou, might want to, he did Yeoman's work on it, might want to comment.

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▶ ⚠️ Jego misja polega na dokumentacji UFO.

▶ ⚠️ Mówi, że nie został opatrzony prezentacji programu OSAP, ale uważa, że warto go badzić.

[3274.42s]
Nancy Mace, U.S. Representative

Okay.

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[3275.67s]
Nancy Mace, U.S. Representative

All right, I'm gonna turn to Mr. Moskowitz, who will be recognized for five minutes of questioning.

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▶ ⚠️ Doskonale, a czy mówisz o źródle informacji dla swojej historii i raportu?

[3281.10s]
Jared Moskowitz, U.S. Representative

Thank you, Madam Chairwoman. So Mr. Gold, you gave a whole diatribe for a couple of minutes about UAPs, science, data collection, stigma. A lot of non-believers in all of this would just ask a very simple question, why? Why is it so hard, right? Like why are people, anytime they ask, Why are they always thwarted? Why are they always judged? Why is they always have misinformation spread? Why is there always retribution? Why is it always met with an ear? What's the why? If it doesn't exist, why is it such a problem?

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▶ ⚠️ Tak.

▶ ⚠️ Doda, że to jeden z największych oprogramowania dotyczącego UAP i udzieliło interesujących danych.

[3318.82s]
Michael Gold Associate Administrator NASA | Space Policy and Partners

I think if you go through the history of science, Representative, it is always difficult for breakthroughs and new information, regardless of whether it's UAP or any other kind of discovery. In science, we're supposed to be open, but when you break with the orthodoxy of what's believed, whether it's Galileo saying that the Earth doesn't rotate or the Earth rotates around the sun or the sun doesn't rotate around the Earth, it's always challenging for new beliefs. And the more extraordinary those discoveries, the more extraordinary those new beliefs, it's very difficult. So I think this is natural. There's natural conservatism when it comes to science, but this issue in particular has been very difficult where, again... even to attempt to study it becomes problematic. But every hearing like this, every news report, every video, documentaries, I was privileged to be a part of something Dan Fair is putting together.

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▶ ⚠️ Jak oceniasz wiarygodność dokumentacji, którą zostałeś podanym na temat tego programu?

▶ ⚠️ Sprawdziłem źródła i są to ludzie, którzy mówią o sobie. Są obecnymi lub poprzednimi pracownikami rządu. Chciałbym dodać, że nie określiłem agencji ani płci.

[3374.11s]
Michael Gold Associate Administrator NASA | Space Policy and Partners

I think many of us have interviewed for it, documentary over 30 different government officials. Every brick in the wall will help get us closer to getting to the truth.

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▶ ⚠️ Czy były to ludzie zaangażowani w pracę w przedsiębiorstwach?

▶ ⚠️ Jestem komfortowo zdania, że są pracownikami rządu lub poprzednimi pracownikami rządu.

[3383.68s]
Jared Moskowitz, U.S. Representative

I appreciate that. Mr. Elizondo, did I have that correct? Sir. I'm a recovering lawyer, so I'm going to put my hat on for a second. You said you signed a document. Love that. Who gave that to you?

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▶ ⚠️ Czy jednak niektóre z nich były obecnie zatrudnione przez kontrahenta prywatnego?

▶ ⚠️ Mr. Moskowitz pyta o przyczynie trudności w badaniach UAP, gdyż jeśli nie istnieją, to powinny być łatwiejsze do zbadania.

[3395.73s]
Luis Elizondo, Researcher, Department of Defense

The U.S. government, sir.

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[3397.09s]
Jared Moskowitz, U.S. Representative

Okay. You have a copy of it?

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▶ ⚠️ Będę bardzo szczery, ale o tym chciałbym się nie mówić.

[3398.91s]
Luis Elizondo, Researcher, Department of Defense

It is stored in the SCIF right now. I do not have possession of it. The U.S. government does.

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▶ ⚠️ Mr. Gold odpowiada, że takie trudności są naturalne w badaniach naukowych i mówi o historii nauki i jej konserwatyzmie.

[3403.28s]
Jared Moskowitz, U.S. Representative

What department of the U.S. government gave you this document?

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[3405.68s]
Luis Elizondo, Researcher, Department of Defense

I will say the Department of Defense. Unfortunately, I can't say in this forum much more than that.

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▶ ⚠️ Doskonale.

▶ ⚠️ Oceniam, że mój zdanie było prawidłowe. Pan Elizondo, czy to się sprawdza? Panie. Jestem przysięgliwym prawnikiem, więc nakładam swoje kapelusze na chwilę. Powiedziałeś, że podpisał dokument. Uwielbiam to. Kto tego dodał Ci?

[3409.49s]
Jared Moskowitz, U.S. Representative

You specifically said the document said you can't talk about crash retrieval. Well, you know, you can't talk about Fight Club if there's no Fight Club. Correct. Okay, I'm just making an observation. Yes, sir. So that document that you signed that you said exists specifically said you can't talk about crash retrieval.

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[3430.98s]
Luis Elizondo, Researcher, Department of Defense

Correct, sir. It was a limitation on what I, because already I'd been speaking publicly about the topic. And so the document said you can continue saying X, Y, Z, but you cannot discuss the topic.

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▶ ⚠️ Co jest kluczowe w dokumencie Immaculate Constellation, który podałeś dziś?

[3440.82s]
Jared Moskowitz, U.S. Representative

Give me the atmosphere of signing this document. You're in a room by yourself?

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[3444.93s]
Luis Elizondo, Researcher, Department of Defense

I'm in a skiff with a security officer, sir.

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[3447.05s]
Jared Moskowitz, U.S. Representative

Just one-on-one? Anybody else?

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[3449.31s]
Luis Elizondo, Researcher, Department of Defense

There may have been an assistant as well. It was in a skiff within a Department of Defense facility.

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[3455.06s]
Jared Moskowitz, U.S. Representative

Give me your background real quick.

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[3456.69s]
Luis Elizondo, Researcher, Department of Defense

My background is I went to school to study microbiology and immunology, entered into the U.S. Army, and after a very short stint in military intelligence, I became a counterintelligence special agent. As a civilian, later on I became a special agent in charge, running investigations in counterterrorism and counterespionage primarily, with some experience in counterinsurgency and counternarcotics. And then in 2009 timeframe, When I came back to the Pentagon after a tour with the Director of National Intelligence, I quickly became part of a program that was originally called OSAP that evolved into the program now called ATIP, which is where those videos that we now see, the GoFast, the Gimbal, the FLIR, that was part of our effort, sir.

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▶ ⚠️ Sądzę, że ludzie potrzebują wiedzy o tym, że siatka wojskowa i inteligencja USA mają dużo informacji wizualnych i innych dotyczących UFO.

▶ ⚠️ Rząd Stanów Zjednoczonych, panie.

▶ ⚠️ Dobrze. Masz kopię go?

▶ ⚠️ Jest przechowywany w SCIF teraz. Nie posiadam nadzoru nad nim. Rząd Stanów Zjednoczonych to robi.

[3501.92s]
Jared Moskowitz, U.S. Representative

Right. So you're not some... Conspiracy theorist. You actually have a legitimate background.

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▶ ⚠️ Ile jest zdjęć, grafik, wideo, zdjęć?

▶ ⚠️ Która kwestia rządowa Stanów Zjednoczonych dodała Ci tego dokumentu?

[3506.84s]
Luis Elizondo, Researcher, Department of Defense

Well, sir, I'm certainly not a conspiracy theorist. I'm fact-based, just say fact.

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▶ ⚠️ Powiem, że jest to Departament Obrony Narodowej. Niestety nie mogę powiedzieć w tej konferencji więcej o tym.

[3511.17s]
Jared Moskowitz, U.S. Representative

So when you're in this room, I want to paint the picture of everybody. You're in this room, you're by yourself, you're in a skiff, you're handed a document. How long is the document?

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[3517.22s]
Luis Elizondo, Researcher, Department of Defense

It's about a page front and back. So basically you have some things they call trigraphs, which I cannot, again, talk to.

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▶ ⚠️ Mówiłem o setkach lub może tysiącach. Chciałbym również dodać, że niektóre z tych materiałów są wykonane na helikopterach przy użyciu normalnych filmów oceany. Myślę tylko, że to absurdalne, aby mówić, że jesteśmy zdani na ukrytą technologię USA, gdy pokazujemy, że zrobiliśmy zdjęcia orbów w pobliżu Kuwejtu.

[3523.65s]
Jared Moskowitz, U.S. Representative

How long were you given to sign the document?

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[3526.57s]
Luis Elizondo, Researcher, Department of Defense

As long as I needed, sir.

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[3527.53s]
Jared Moskowitz, U.S. Representative

And what if you didn't sign it?

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[3529.40s]
Luis Elizondo, Researcher, Department of Defense

Well, I suspect there would be repercussions. I wouldn't have access to certain information.

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[3534.01s]
Jared Moskowitz, U.S. Representative

Were you allowed to ask a lawyer or weren't allowed to ask for a lawyer to review the document?

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▶ ⚠️ Pana prosi o obraz kiedy jest w pokoju, dostaje dokument o około strony. Jak długo miał czas na podpisanie?

[3540.56s]
Luis Elizondo, Researcher, Department of Defense

It wasn't an option, but they probably wouldn't have allowed me to because the document itself is pretty explicit about you have to be – wait, you're putting me in an interest. Let me try to thread the needle here. There are certain documents that we have in the U.S. government that allow people to have access to certain programs. whether it's a special, and I'm going to be very generic here, whether it's a special access program or a controlled access program, SAP, CAP, whatnot.

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[3563.09s]
Jared Moskowitz, U.S. Representative

How many people have to sign that document?

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[3564.93s]
Luis Elizondo, Researcher, Department of Defense

It depends how many people are going to get access to the information, sir.

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[3568.09s]
Jared Moskowitz, U.S. Representative

Okay. Last question. Doctor, real quick, can you tell us about the Omaha incident in greater detail? I've read your background, right? Some people would label you as a member of the deep state since you worked in government for a long period of time. But can you tell us more about that incident? You've written a lot about that.

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[3586.86s]
Tim Gallaudet, Chief Executive Officer

I wrote a lot about incidents like it, Congressman, but that specific incident involved the USS Omaha, the Tor combat ship of the U.S. Navy operating off Southern California. I don't remember the exact date. It was within the last decade. And what the watchstanders on the bridge observed was a UAP, again, something that was aloft but had no observable exhaust or control surfaces. So it was something that couldn't be explained, and then they saw it enter the water from the atmosphere and going through the air-sea interface, and so thus exhibiting transmedium travel. Thank you. I yield back.

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▶ ⚠️ Pan powiedział, że dokument stwierdza, że nie można poruszać tematem przeciągania po wypadku. Wiesz, jeśli nie ma Fight Clubu, nie można mówić o tym. Poprawne. Dobrze, to tylko obserwacja. Tak, panie. Dokument, który podpisałeś i powiedział, że istnieje, stwierdza specjalnie, że nie można poruszyć tematem przeciągania po wypadku.

▶ ⚠️ Krytycy twierdzą, że Ministerstwo Obrony nie ujawnia wszystkich informacji i to budzi wątpliwości co do działań rządu.

[3624.99s]
Nancy Mace, U.S. Representative

Thank you. I'll now recognize Mr. Grothman for five minutes of questioning.

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▶ ⚠️ Świadkowie opisują niezidentyfikowane obiekty latające widziane nad bazami wojskowymi.

[3628.02s]
Glenn Grothman, U.S. Representative

Yeah, we'll start with Mr. Gallaudet. During a previous UAP hearing, Navy Commander David Fravor discussed the TikTok object engaged in 2004. You're familiar with the incident, the TikTok incident? Yes, sir. That's almost 20 years ago, right? Yes, sir. It's been said there are more videos, documents, and reports related to this incident. Do you believe the information regarding the TikTok incident should be available to all members of Congress? And in your expertise... What reason would the Department of Defense possibly have for not releasing information that's over 20 years old?

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▶ ⚠️ Poprawnie, panie. Było to ograniczenie na coś, czego już mówiłem publicznie o tym temacie. I dokument stwierdza, że możesz kontynuować mówić o X, Y i Z, ale nie możesz dyskutować na ten temat.

[3666.02s]
Tim Gallaudet, Chief Executive Officer

Thank you, Congressman. I don't think there's any good reason to withhold information and important data, especially of national security concern from Congress. What would they say? I will speculate, sir, that they don't want to share that kind of information because it reveals weaknesses in our ability to monitor and protect our airspace.

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▶ ⚠️ Dokumenty, które pozwala na dostęp do informacji są ograniczone i mogą zostać ujawnione tylko dla osób uprawnionych.

[3686.00s]
Glenn Grothman, U.S. Representative

Okay. In your written testimony, you claim last year's UAP hearing before this oversight committee confirmed that UAP-related information is, well, it's not only being withheld, but that elements of the government are engaging in a disinformation campaign to include personal attacks designed to discredit UAP whistleblowers. Could you elaborate on that statement a little?

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▶ ⚠️ Opisz atmosferę podpisywania tego dokumentu. Jesteś sam w pokoju?

▶ ⚠️ Istnieją więcej nagrani, dokumentów i raportów dotyczących wydarzenia z 2004 roku, które powinny być dostępne dla wszystkich członków Kongresu.

Unseen Aerial Phenomena Explored

A former Pentagon official shares his experiences with the Department of Defense's All-Domain Anomaly Resolution Office and discusses the frequent reporting of UAP sightings over military installations. He also touches on the existence of a highly classified program dedicated to recovering and reverse-engineering UAP technologies, citing unnamed government whistleblowers as sources. The conversation delves into the frustration and enigma surrounding these unidentified aerial phenomena, with some officials expressing concerns about national security and potential vulnerabilities in defense systems.

PL: Były urzędnik Pentagonu dzieli się swoimi doświadczeniami związanymi z Biurem ds. Rozwiązywania Anomalii we wszystkich domenach Departamentu Obrony i omawia częste zgłoszenia obserwacji UAP nad instalacjami wojskowymi. Wspomina również o istnieniu ściśle tajnego programu poświęconego odzyskiwaniu i inżynierii odwrotnej technologii UAP, powołując się na anonimowych sygnalistów rządowych jako źródła. Rozmowa zagłębia się w frustrację i tajemniczość otaczającą te niezidentyfikowane zjawiska powietrzne, a niektórzy urzędnicy wyrażają obawy o bezpieczeństwo narodowe i potencjalne luki w systemach obronnych.

[3711.42s]
Tim Gallaudet, Chief Executive Officer

Yes, sir. Earlier this year, I met with the DOD's All-Domain Anomaly Resolution Office, and what I thought would be a 90-minute meeting just to meet with leadership turned out to be an hours-long influence operation on me, where they attempted to convince me of the validity of the very flawed and error-ridden historical records report. In addition, they They tried to have me question very valid UAP reports like the Tic Tac incident. And even coming to stating possibly that the Tic Tac was American technology. And then, of course, if you ask David Fravor or Alex Dietrich, the two witnesses, they were convinced it was otherwise. And they also cast discredit on various UAP whistleblowers and witnesses to... A question there, validity and credibility as witnesses.

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▶ ⚠️ Ministerstwo Obrony może nie chcieć udostępniać informacji za długo, ponieważ to oznacza wyjaśnianie słabych stron monitorowania i ochrony naszego powietrza.

▶ ⚠️ Przesłuchanie wzywa do większej przejrzystości w sprawie tajnych programów rządowych dotyczących UFO.

[3769.06s]
Glenn Grothman, U.S. Representative

Okay. We'll go to Mr. Elizondo. Hope I got that right or not. You're familiar with the recent drone incursion over Langley Air Force Base. Yes, sir. The owners of these drones remain unclear. The U.S. military has not been able to give us in Congress an answer. Given your experience with the Department of Defense and the intelligence community, how frequently are UAP sightings over military installations reported? And secondly, I suppose hypothetically you could have incursions over just, say, regular airports. Is it obvious these incursions are more likely over military facilities than just a random airport out there?

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▶ ⚠️ Jestem w skiffie z służbowym żołnierzem, panie.

▶ ⚠️ Krytycy twierdzą, że Ministerstwo Obrony nie ujawnia wszystkich informacji, co budzi wątpliwości co do działań rządu.

▶ ⚠️ Świadkowie opisują niezidentyfikowane obiekty latające widziane nad bazami wojskowymi.

[3811.41s]
Luis Elizondo, Researcher, Department of Defense

Yes, sir. There's definitely enough data to suggest that there is certainly some sort of relationship between sensitive U.S. military installations, also some of our nuclear equities, and also some of our Department of Energy sites. There is a long historical record that some of your colleagues may have, documentation that demonstrates this. This is not a new trend. This has been going on for decades, and that information has been obfuscated. unfortunately, from folks like you in this committee. And I think that's problematic because ultimately, at the end of the day, we have a significant situation here. We have something that can enter into U.S. airspace completely with no attribution. And how long has this been going on? Sir, decades. And there's information that will hopefully be entered into the record.

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▶ ⚠️ Tylko pojedynczo? Kto inni?

[3857.85s]
Glenn Grothman, U.S. Representative

Can you think of any possible reason why they can't release any information they have on something, say, 15 or 20 years old?

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[3863.59s]
Luis Elizondo, Researcher, Department of Defense

Sir, if I could echo my colleague here, Admiral Gallaudet, I think one of the big issues that we have in the intelligence community, Department of Defense, is we don't want to broadcast any potential vulnerabilities or weaknesses in our national defense systems or on intelligence collection platforms. Therefore, when you have a conversation where you address a problem for which there is no solution, it makes that a very uncomfortable conversation to have.

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▶ ⚠️ Może być także asystent. Był to w skiffie w budynku Departamentu Obrony Narodowej.

▶ ⚠️ Czy możesz wyobrazić sobie jakiś powód, dla którego nie mogą opublikować informacji o coś, rzecznej 15 czy 20 lat temu?

[3887.24s]
Glenn Grothman, U.S. Representative

Okay, we'll switch to Mr. Schellenberger. The primary reason you're here today is because you published an article on the news publication that you own called Public, right? alleging that a new unnamed government whistleblower has come forward asserting that a highly classified program exists dedicated to recovery and reverse engineering of UAP technologies. What can you give us what specific evidence you have or that your source provided you to substantiate the claims about the existence of the Immaculate Constellation program?

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▶ ⚠️ Drony przejawiają się częściej na terenach militarnych i stacji energetycznych.

▶ ⚠️ Krytycy twierdzą, że Ministerstwo Obrony nie ujawnia wszystkich informacji, co budzi wątpliwości dotyczące działań rządu.

[3921.55s]
Michael Shellenberger Founder Substack | "Public" Newsletter

Well, you have the report in front of you now, so you can see it for yourself. But I checked the report, and I did not find it based on existing cases. It was new cases for me. At least I hadn't found anybody. So that answered for me that it was not obviously circular reporting, which is one of the big concerns in this space. I also had the name of the program confirmed by more than one additional source. So, yeah, and then, of course, I checked to make sure that the source was who they claimed to be. Okay. I should also say that when I said before it was this database, it is a much broader program. That also includes human intelligence and then, as you mentioned, the retrieval. Any knowledge of what country these things originated in? No.

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▶ ⚠️ Opisz swoje kontekstowanie szybko.

▶ ⚠️ Świadkowie opisują niezidentyfikowane obiekty latające widziane nad bazami wojskowymi.

[3969.26s]
Glenn Grothman, U.S. Representative

No, I have no idea.

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[3970.06s]
Tim Burchett U.S. Representative

Okay. Okay.

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[3971.66s]
Nancy Mace, U.S. Representative

Okay, I will now recognize Mr. Burchett for five minutes of questions.

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[3975.37s]
Tim Burchett U.S. Representative

Thank you, Chair and Lady. I request your name and consent to enter into the record documents provided to us regarding legacy UAP programs and psychological operations. Lou Elizondo.

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[3986.48s]
Nancy Mace, U.S. Representative

So ordered.

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[3987.32s]
Tim Burchett U.S. Representative

I also want to thank my buddy Jeremy Corbell for writing these documents and access to some whistleblowers. Mr. Elizondo, what is your last position with the federal government?

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▶ ⚠️ Dziękuję również mojemu przyjacielowi Jeremy Corbell za pisanie tych dokumentów i dostęp do niektórych świadków. Pan Elizondo, jaka była twoja ostatnia stanowisko w rządzie federalnym?

[3999.37s]
Luis Elizondo, Researcher, Department of Defense

Sir, I was the director of national program special management staff managing a White House special access program on behalf of the National Security Council.

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▶ ⚠️ Moja historia to taka, że poszedłem na studia do nauki o mikrobiologii i immunologii, weszłem do Armii Stanów Zjednoczonych, a po bardzo krótkim okresie w służbie zarządzania wojskowego stałem się specjalistą antykontrwyna. Jak obywatel, później stałem się szefem sprawczych prowadzącym badania w kontrterrorystyce i kontrwyżającej głównie z doświadczeniem w kontrinsurgencji i kontrnarcyzmie. I w 2009 roku, gdy wróciłem do Pentagonu po wakacie z Dyrektora Narodowego Inteligencji, szybko stałem się częścią programu, który oryginalnie nazywał się OSAP i ewoluował do takiego programu, jak teraz ATIP, w którym były te wideo, które już widzimy, GoFast, Gimbal, FLIR, to część naszej inicjatywy, panie.

[4008.56s]
Tim Burchett U.S. Representative

How would you characterize UAPs?

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[4012.41s]
Luis Elizondo, Researcher, Department of Defense

An enigma, sir, and a frustration. We're talking about technologies that can outperform anything we have in our inventory. And if this was an adversarial technology, this would be an intelligence failure eclipsing that of 9-11 by an order of magnitude.

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[4028.06s]
Tim Burchett U.S. Representative

Are there classified Department of Defense materials related to UAPs that you believe could be safely disclosed to the public without compromising national security?

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[4037.29s]
Luis Elizondo, Researcher, Department of Defense

Yes, sir, I do. I would never ever try to endorse providing some sort of information that could compromise what we call a blue force technology or capability. But I do believe there's a lot of information regarding this topic, and I've been very vocal about it, that should be shared not only with the public, but most importantly, with members of Congress.

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[4054.52s]
Tim Burchett U.S. Representative

Are you familiar with my friend David Grush?

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[4056.80s]
Luis Elizondo, Researcher, Department of Defense

Absolutely, sir. I had the privilege and honor of working with him myself several years ago at U.S. Space Force.

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[4062.89s]
Tim Burchett U.S. Representative

Last year, as you know, he testified that the U.S. has run a multi-decade UAP crash retrieval and reverse engineering program. Would you agree with that? Yes, sir. Are there UAP programs operating without proper congressional oversight? 100 percent. What are they? Unfortunately, sir, I would have to have that conversation in a closed session. I know you said that, and a lot of people are frustrated with those kind of answers, but we're asking those kind of questions so you all know what the heck we're up against. You also mentioned in your opening statement that the Pentagon's Public Affairs Office employs the Psychological Operations Officers as the singular point of contact for UAP-related inquiries. Why the heck would they do that?

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▶ ⚠️ Panie, byłem dyrektorem programu specjalnego zarządu narodowego prowadzącego specjalny dostęp do białego domu na rzecz Rady Bezpieczeństwa Narodowego.

▶ ⚠️ Jak charakteryzujesz UAP?

[4103.47s]
Luis Elizondo, Researcher, Department of Defense

Sir, that's a great question. I would ask the Pentagon. There's a long history here of that individual providing misleading and false information to the public. through various news outlets and media outlets in order to discredit this topic. I've personally been victim to it. We have the documentation to substantiate where this information has been absolutely inaccurate that has been provided time and time again. And it turns out that that individual was also working with former leadership of Arrow at the time as well.

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▶ ⚠️ Dobrze. Nie jesteś tym... Teoristą konspiracyjnym. Miałeś naprawdę prawidłowy wykład.

[4130.00s]
Tim Burchett U.S. Representative

And we punish them by giving them multi-million dollars more than they ask for every year. Admiral Gallaudet, you mentioned in your opening statement on An email you received from the operations officer of the Fleet Forces Command regarding unknown objects almost colliding with U.S. military planes. Did anyone respond with knowledge of what the objects were? I received no response, sir. Did the exercise get canceled? The exercise did not get canceled. Why do you think the commander of Fleet Forces Operations Officer never discussed the incident again?

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▶ ⚠️ Enigmat, panie, i frustracja. Mowa o technologiach, które mogą zdobywać lepsze wyniki niż cokolwiek mająmy w naszym zbiorniku. Jeśli to byłaby technologia przeciwnika, to będzie niepowodzeniem inteligencji o wielkości 9-11.

[4160.80s]
Tim Gallaudet, Chief Executive Officer

Sir, I'm speculating because I didn't have an exchange with him, but I believed it to be part of a special access program, the information and the video, which we have known now it was. And he realized he couldn't share that openly with the recipients of the email, and therefore the email was pulled from everybody's account.

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[4178.36s]
Tim Burchett U.S. Representative

Again, tell us what happened to the email from the commander of Fleet Forces.

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Unexplained Phenomena and Information Operations

A former U.S. government official shares his experiences with unidentified aerial phenomena (UAPs), describing instances where objects exhibited characteristics unlike known technology. The conversation also delves into the existence of a federal agency, All Domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AERO), which conducts information operations about UAPs.

PL: Były urzędnik rządu USA dzieli się swoimi doświadczeniami związanymi z niezidentyfikowanymi zjawiskami powietrznymi (UAP), opisując przypadki, w których obiekty wykazywały cechy niespotykane w znanej technologii. Rozmowa dotyczy również istnienia federalnej agencji – Biura ds. Rozwiązywania Anomalii we wszystkich domenach (AERO), które prowadzi operacje informacyjne dotyczące UAP.

[4182.90s]
Tim Gallaudet, Chief Executive Officer

The day after I received it and all the other recipients received it, which were all the subordinate commanders of U.S. Fleet Forces, so one- and two-star admirals, including strike group commanders. The email was wiped or deleted from our accounts, and then no one talked about it.

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[4197.20s]
Tim Burchett U.S. Representative

All right. Have you specifically had any experience with submersible objects?

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▶ ⚠️ Panie, nie jestem teorią konspiracyjną. Jestem faktami-podstawowym, tylko powiedz mi to.

▶ ⚠️ Czy istnieją materiały zaklasyfikowane od Departamentu Obrony Społeczeństwa, które uważasz, że mogą być bezpiecznie udostępnione publiczności bez naruszenia bezpieczeństwa narodowego?

[4203.85s]
Tim Gallaudet, Chief Executive Officer

Sir, I have no personal experience, but I've had witnesses on submarines come to me and say they've seen on sonar data. Correct. How would you characterize those, and how do they move? The one instance that was revealed to me was in the 80s on a nuclear-powered submarine, a ballistic missile submarine, that the object exhibited the characteristics of a Russian torpedo in terms of its speed of movement and closing rate with a submarine, and then it slowed and followed the submarine slowly in its wake. for a period of minutes and then rapidly exited the scene. And nothing that we know of in technology-wise could replicate that.

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[4249.33s]
Tim Burchett U.S. Representative

And the speed of these objects was faster than anything that we have or anybody else has that would be manned. Is that correct?

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▶ ⚠️ Tak, panie. Nigdy nie próbuję zatwierdzać dostarczania jakiegokolwiek informacji, która mogłaby naruszyć to, czego nazywamy technologią lub możliwością blue force. Ale uważam, że jest wiele informacji na temat tego zagadnienia, i byłem bardzo aktywny w tobie, która powinna być dzielona nie tylko z publicznością, ale najbardziej istotnie, z członami Kongresu.

[4257.38s]
Tim Gallaudet, Chief Executive Officer

It was on the order of a torpedo. Yes, sir. Yes, sir, but as it exited.

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▶ ⚠️ Spekuluję, bo nie miałem kontaktu z nim, ale wierzyłem, że to część specjalnego programu dostępu, informacje i wideo, o których teraz już wiemy. I on zdał sobie sprawę, że nie może dzielić się tym otwarcie ze skrzydłowymi adresatami wiadomości e-mail, a wiadomość została usunięta z kont u każdego.

[4262.16s]
Tim Burchett U.S. Representative

I don't exactly know how fast a torpedo is, but I expect it does better than my old outboard Scott Atwater, so I'll take that as a yes. Yes, sir. Have you experienced any experience with the All Domain Anomaly Resolution Office, AERO?

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[4277.96s]
Tim Gallaudet, Chief Executive Officer

Yes, Congressman. As I mentioned previously, I have met with them.

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[4282.16s]
Tim Burchett U.S. Representative

Okay. You heard Mr. Alexander describe psychological operations for those contacting the Department of Defense about UAPs. You mentioned a similar influence operation by AERO. Why are federal agencies invested in running information operations about UAPs if they do not exist? Yes, sir.

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▶ ⚠️ Jesteś znajomy mojego przyjaciela David Grush?

▶ ⚠️ Powtórzmy, co się stało z wiadomością od komendanta Fleet Forces?

[4301.92s]
Tim Gallaudet, Chief Executive Officer

But I'll make a statement on Arrow's behalf. They have new leadership. The office has reached out to me to meet again, and I take that as a good faith effort, and we'll see where that goes.

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▶ ⚠️ Dzień po tym, jak otrzymałem je i wszyscy inni adresaci otrzymali je, czyli wszystkie podporoczcowe komendantów U.S. Fleet Forces, więc oficerzy pierwszej i drugiej gwiazdy, w tym dyrektorzy grup uderzeniowych. Wiadomość została usunięta lub usunięta ze naszych kontów, a potem nikt o niej nie mówił.

[4312.43s]
Tim Burchett U.S. Representative

Thank you, Chairlady. I've run over.

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[4313.87s]
Nancy Mace, U.S. Representative

Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Tennessee. I would now like to recognize Mr. Higgins. You're the king of Tennessee. Mr. Higgins, you're recognized for five minutes of questions.

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[4324.77s]
Clay Higgins, U.S. Representative

Thank you, Madam Chair. Mr. Elizondo, Mr. Schellenberger notes in the report that we've been given for this hearing, I believe, Mr. Schellenberger, let me shift, you are the author of this report? I'm sorry, sir, I am not the author. Mr. Schellenberger, were you the author of this report? No, I was not. Do you know the author? I do. You do. And how would you estimate that? That madam or gentleman, the author.

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▶ ⚠️ Czy masz doświadczenie z obiektami podwodnymi?

[4356.69s]
Michael Shellenberger Founder Substack | "Public" Newsletter

The person is a current or former U.S. government employee.

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▶ ⚠️ Panie, nie mam własnego doświadczenia, ale sądowie na łodziach podręcznych przyszli do mnie i powiedzieli, że widzieli to na danych sonarowych.

[4360.91s]
Clay Higgins, U.S. Representative

And it states here that this is the public version of the author's report. Yes. So where might one find the non-public version of the author's report?

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▶ ⚠️ Oczywiście, panie. Miałem przywilej i honor pracować z nim samym kilka lat temu w U.S. Space Force.

[4374.21s]
Michael Shellenberger Founder Substack | "Public" Newsletter

I don't know the answer to that.

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[4375.51s]
Clay Higgins, U.S. Representative

Would that be with the Department of Defense?

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[4377.83s]
Michael Shellenberger Founder Substack | "Public" Newsletter

I don't know.

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▶ ⚠️ Jak byś charakteryzował te obiekty, a jak się poruszają? Jedna sytuacja, która mi została ujawniona, miała miejsce w latach 80. na reaktywie podwodnej, rakietowej łodzi balistycznej, a obiekt pokazywał charakterystyki torpeda rosyjskiego w stosunku do swojej prędkości ruchu i tempo zbliżania się z łodziarstwem podwodnym. A potem odpowiednio zmniejszał i krocząc po śladach łodzi, następowała jej przez kilka minut, a później szybko wychodził na scenę. Nic takiego, co znamy technologiowo, nie mogłoby to replikować.

[4381.20s]
Clay Higgins, U.S. Representative

But you do know the author?

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▶ ⚠️ Stwierdzenie dla korporacji Arrow. Nowe przyłączeń w zarządzie. Biuro skontaktowało się ze mną o nowym spotkaniu, a to uważam za dobre zapowiedzi i zobaczymy, jak to się rozwija.

[4382.82s]
Michael Shellenberger Founder Substack | "Public" Newsletter

I do.

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[4383.52s]
Clay Higgins, U.S. Representative

Do you know what the author's sources were?

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[4386.03s]
Michael Shellenberger Founder Substack | "Public" Newsletter

The author's sources are described in the report, these databases, the Immaculate Consolation.

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[4394.09s]
Clay Higgins, U.S. Representative

But you expressed some confidence in the sources earlier in testimony. You expressed confidence. So do you know those sources?

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▶ ⚠️ Dziękuję Panią Prezes. Przejechałem czasu.

[4403.46s]
Michael Shellenberger Founder Substack | "Public" Newsletter

I do.

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[4404.26s]
Clay Higgins, U.S. Representative

Are they within the Department of Defense?

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[4406.26s]
Michael Shellenberger Founder Substack | "Public" Newsletter

I can't say.

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[4406.86s]
Clay Higgins, U.S. Representative

You can't say or you won't say?

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[4409.13s]
Michael Shellenberger Founder Substack | "Public" Newsletter

I won't say.

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▶ ⚠️ Rok temu, jak wiesz, on mówił, że USA prowadziła program odnajdywania i inwestowania w technologię zwrotnego inżynieringu UAP. Zgadzasz się na to? Tak, panie. Czy istnieją programy UAP działające bez odpowiedniej kontroli Kongresu? 100 procent. Co są one? Niestety, panie, musielibyśmy to rozmawiać w sesji zamkniętej. Wiem, że powiedziałeś tak i wielu ludzi jest frustrowanych przez te rodzaje odpowiedzi, ale pytamy tego rodzaju pytań, aby wszyscy zrozumieli, co mamy do czynienia. Wyróżnialiśmy to również w swojej stwierdzeniu otwartej, że biuro Public Relations Departamentu Obrony Społeczeństwa posiada oficerów Operacji Psychologicznych jako pojedynczy punkt kontaktu w sprawie pytań dotyczących UAP. Dlaczego to robią?

▶ ⚠️ Dziękuję. Dziękuję, Panie Tennessee. Chciałbym teraz uznać pana Higginsa. Jesteś królem Tenneszy. Pan Higgins, jesteś uznawany na pięciominutowe pytania.

[4409.75s]
Clay Higgins, U.S. Representative

Okay, why not?

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[4411.51s]
Michael Shellenberger Founder Substack | "Public" Newsletter

Because I protect my sources and I think the region... But you're not naming them.

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[4415.45s]
Clay Higgins, U.S. Representative

It's a big department. Many of us on my side of the aisle would say it's far too big. So you're talking about the Department of Defense, sources from within the Department of Defense?

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[4426.84s]
Michael Shellenberger Founder Substack | "Public" Newsletter

I'm not willing to reduce the potential universe of where my sources might be.

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▶ ⚠️ Dziękuję, Pani Prezes. Pan Elizondo, pan Schellenberger wskazuje w raporcie, który został nam przekazany na tej konferencji, sądzię, że pan Schellenberger, pozwól mi się przesunąć, jesteś autorem tego raportu? Przeproszenie, panie, nie jestem autorem. Pan Schellenberger, czy jesteś autorem tego raportu? Nie, nie byłem. Czy znasz autora? Znam.

[4432.97s]
Clay Higgins, U.S. Representative

Okay, moving on. In this report, Mr. Elizondo, for reference, several types of... Allegedly alien craft or possibly alien craft or unknown aerial phenomena, what we used to call UFOs, are described. Spheres and orbs, disks and saucers, oval or tic-tac, triangular shape. boomerang and arrowhead, and irregular or organic. Mr. Elizondo, does that summarize to you the types of craft that we're discussing today?

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▶ ⚠️ A prędkość tych obiektów była szybsza od wszystkiego, czym posiadamy lub ktoś inni ma coś, co byłoby ludzkiemu. Czy to prawda?

▶ ⚠️ Raport opisuje kilka rodzajów nieznanych przyrodczych pojazdów, takich jak UFO.

▶ ⚠️ Są to kule i orbity, dyski i szyby, kwadratowy lub tic-tac, trójkątnikowy kształt, boomerang i łuk, a nieregularny czy organiczny.

[4470.09s]
Luis Elizondo, Researcher, Department of Defense

Sir, that is a general morphology, historically speaking, of many UAPs.

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▶ ⚠️ Było na poziomie torpeda. Tak, panie. Tak, panie, ale jak wychodził.

▶ ⚠️ Jest to obecny lub były pracownik rządu USA.

[4473.77s]
Clay Higgins, U.S. Representative

Okay, so those descriptions, a very different craft, is it your assessment that they would come of different origins?

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[4486.45s]
Luis Elizondo, Researcher, Department of Defense

It's possible, but it also could be a matter of utility. And let me just say for the record, I never read the report or the article that Mr. Schellenberger put out.

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▶ ⚠️ Nie mam dokładnego znań o prędkości torpeda, ale sądzę, że robi lepiej niż moje stare skutery Scott Atwater, więc będę to uznawać za tak. Tak, panie. Czy masz doświadczenie z All Domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AERO)?

▶ ⚠️ A wynika to z tego, że to jest publiczna wersja raportu autora. Tak. Gdzie można znaleźć niepubliczną wersję raportu autora?

[4495.85s]
Clay Higgins, U.S. Representative

That's a good point. We're just referencing it for descriptive purposes for the American people. Mr. Schellenberger, in this report, it's striking to me that regarding the descriptions of of experiences with these various craft. Several of them include biological effects and several do not. Are you familiar with what I'm talking about? Yes. Okay, so spheres and orbs, triangular craft, and irregular or organic craft include some descriptions of biological effects, including feelings of unease, electronic device malfunctions, long-term psychological effects such as anxiety or insomnia have been noted, feeling of being watched, a shared awareness with the triangle craft, and under the irregular and organic craft, biological effects include physical sensations of warmth or cold and unexplained smells and psychological distress. So these are very specific descriptions of the reactions of human beings, which allegedly have been noted from a study here, a report.

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▶ ⚠️ Panie, to świetna kwestia. Zadzwoniłbym do Pentagonu. Jest długa historia tego, że ta osoba udostępniała nieprawdziwe i fałszywe informacje publiczności. przez różne media w celu zniechęcenia tematu. Samemu byłem ofiarą tego. Mamy dokumenty, które udowodniają, gdzie ta informacja była absolutnie nieprawdziwa i była podawana ponownie i ponownie. Okazuje się, że tej osoby także pracował z poprzednim przywództwem Arrow w czasie.

▶ ⚠️ Tak, kongresman. Jak wspomniałem wcześniej, spotkałem się z nimi.

▶ ⚠️ Nie mam odpowiedzi na tę pytanie.

▶ ⚠️ Czy to było z Departamentu Obrony Narodowej?

▶ ⚠️ Nie wiem.

▶ ⚠️ Ale znasz autora?

▶ ⚠️ Znam.

▶ ⚠️ Czy znasz źródła autora?

▶ ⚠️ Świadkowie opisują niezidentyfikowane obiekty latające widziane nad bazami wojskowymi.

[4589.99s]
Clay Higgins, U.S. Representative

All of those experiences would have been described by the sources that the author used.

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▶ ⚠️ I karamy ich dając im miliony więcej niż proszą każdego roku. Admiratel Gallaudet, wyróżnialiśmy to również w swojej stwierdzeniu otwartej, że biuro Public Relations Departamentu Obrony Społeczeństwa posiada oficerów Operacji Psychologicznych jako pojedynczy punkt kontaktu w sprawie pytań dotyczących UAP. Dlaczego to robią?

▶ ⚠️ Słyszałeś opis operacji psychologicznych dla osób kontaktujących Departament Obrony Narodowej o UFO. Mówiono o podobnej operacji przez AERO. Dlaczego agencje federalne wydają się zainwestować w prowadzenie operacji informacyjnych na temat UFO, jeśli one nie istnieją? Tak, panie.

▶ ⚠️ Źródła autora są opisane w raporcie, te bazy danych, Immaculate Consolation.

▶ ⚠️ Ale jesteś pewien swoich źródeł wcześniej przyczynił się do mowy. Jesteś pewien. Więc znasz te źródła?

▶ ⚠️ Znam.

▶ ⚠️ Czy są w ramach Departamentu Obrony Narodowej?

▶ ⚠️ Wielu z tych pojazdów ma biologiczne efekty, takie jak odczucia niepokoiwości, awarii urządzeń elektronicznych, długoterminowe skutki psychiczne, takie jak lęk czy niepoczynność, odczuwania bycia obserwowanym i wspólnego świadomości z trójkątnikowym pojazdem.

[4597.71s]
Michael Shellenberger Founder Substack | "Public" Newsletter

I'm not sure I understand.

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[4598.71s]
Clay Higgins, U.S. Representative

This is a very broad description of biological effects. And it's striking to me that they are present with relation to some types of craft, but absent in others. This would require a great deal of research and study. Can you explain that?

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▶ ⚠️ Nie mogę powiedzieć.

▶ ⚠️ Nie możesz powiedzieć czy nie chcesz powiedzieć?

[4618.72s]
Michael Shellenberger Founder Substack | "Public" Newsletter

My understanding is that the database is very large. It includes both the images, the videos, the still images, as well as the human intelligence, the reports, the raw data from individuals having these experiences. So in answer to your question, yeah, I mean, I think we're looking at a very large amount of data collected over many decades.

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▶ ⚠️ Bo chronię swoich źródeł i myślę, że region... Ale nie wywołujesz imię.

▶ ⚠️ To bardzo szczegółowe opisy reakcji ludzi, które były zgłaszane w badaniach i raportach.

[4638.77s]
Clay Higgins, U.S. Representative

And that data is held by the Department of Defense?

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[4642.13s]
Michael Shellenberger Founder Substack | "Public" Newsletter

Well, I will say that after I published, I was told that this program was that the USAP was actually managed by the Department of Defense but held at the White House.

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[4654.87s]
Clay Higgins, U.S. Representative

Roger that.

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[4655.23s]
Michael Shellenberger Founder Substack | "Public" Newsletter

But that's a single source, and I don't have multiple sources to verify that.

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[4659.64s]
Clay Higgins, U.S. Representative

Thank you, sir. I did my best to trick an answer out of you, but it was partially successful. Madam Chair, I yield.

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[4667.05s]
Nancy Mace, U.S. Representative

Thank you. I now recognize Mr. Frost for five minutes of questions.

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[4670.55s]
Maxwell Frost U.S. Representative

Thank you, Madam Chair. In addition to serving on this committee, the Oversight Committee, I also serve on the Science, Space, and Technology Committee, where we often discuss how essential data and evidence are used in science and used at departments such as NASA. During a hearing, NASA Administrator Nelson affirmed the importance of NASA in helping us to understand UAP. Mr. Gold, if the government doesn't have the data it needs on UAP because, say, someone who saw something is concerned about stigma public backlash, et cetera, or maybe there's just not good systems in place, how are we supposed to ultimately figure out what's going on?

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Unidentified Aerial Phenomena Investigations

The conversation revolves around the investigation and study of Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP), also known as Unidentified Flying Objects (UFOs). The speakers discuss the challenges in gathering data, the need for transparency and funding, and the potential implications of UAP sightings on national security.

PL: Rozmowa koncentruje się na badaniu i analizie niezidentyfikowanych zjawisk powietrznych (UAP), znanych również jako niezidentyfikowane obiekty latające (UFO). Rozmówcy omawiają trudności w gromadzeniu danych, potrzebę przejrzystości i finansowania oraz potencjalne konsekwencje obserwacji UAP dla bezpieczeństwa narodowego.

[4713.98s]
Michael Gold Associate Administrator NASA | Space Policy and Partners

Yeah, thank you for the question. And let me compliment Administrator Nelson that there wouldn't have been a UAP independent study team if it wasn't for his leadership and courage. We're talking about data and where we can get data from. As I described, NASA has whole archives of data, much of which I believe will likely have information that will help inform UAP. We need only look. And again, in an era with AI and ML, we can relatively quickly and easily go through it. So I think it's something that we should encourage NASA to do. However, per Chairman Grothman's comment about UAP focusing on national security sites, I believe there's something, sir, that you may have heard of called sensor bias, that because we've got more cameras, more monitoring of national security, we don't know how extensive UAP activity may be over civilian areas. And this is to the second part of your question where we're not collecting the data. We're not collecting sufficient data from pilots.

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▶ ⚠️ Nie jestem pewien, czy rozumiem poprawnie. To jest bardzo szeroka opis biologicznych efektów. I to mi zaskakuje, że są one obecne w stosunku do niektórych rodzajów statków ale brakuje ich w innych. To będzie wymagało dużo badań i analizy. Czy mogę się tego pojąć?

▶ ⚠️ Moje zrozumienie jest, że baza danych jest ogromna. Zawiera obrazki, wideo, nieaktywne klatki, a także inteligencję ludzką, raporty, prywatnych danych osób mających te doświadczenia. Odpowiedzi na twoje pytanie: tak, myślę, że mamy tu bardzo dużo danych zbieranych przez wiele dekad.

[4768.47s]
Michael Gold Associate Administrator NASA | Space Policy and Partners

We're not collecting sufficient data from civilian and commercial activities. And this is, again, where ASRS, I think, could substantially change that, get the data out there, and allow us to do good science.

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▶ ⚠️ I te dane są składane przez Departament Obrony Narodowej?

[4779.59s]
Maxwell Frost U.S. Representative

Thank you. I mean, on the data, you know, I'm a really big proponent of transparency. But obviously, there's always a little bit of balance that we have to have in government on transparency as well. I mean, last year... NASA appointed a director of UAP research in response to the recommendation by the independent study team. In the final report, there's a quote, despite numerous accounts and visuals, the absence of consistent, detailed and curated observations means we do not presently have the body of data needed to make definite and scientific conclusions about UAP. Can you just talk really quickly about that balance of security and transparency?

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▶ ⚠️ Dobrze, powiem, że po opublikowaniu swoich artykułów zostałem informowany, że ten program był prowadzony przez Departament Obrony Narodowej ale przechowywany w Białym Domu.

▶ ⚠️ Zrozumienie.

▶ ⚠️ Przesłuchanie wzywa do większej przejrzystości w sprawie tajnych programów rządowych dotyczących UFO.

▶ ⚠️ Krytycy twierdzą, że Ministerstwo Obrony nie ujawnia wszystkich informacji, co budzi wątpliwości co do działań rządu.

[4819.26s]
Michael Gold Associate Administrator NASA | Space Policy and Partners

So I can say, having served at NASA, it is the most transparent organization I've ever been in. When we would have conversations of executive leadership, things would leak out almost instantly. So I can assure you, intentionally or not, NASA's very transparent. I don't know if many of you have worked with engineers or scientists. They love to talk. So I believe that NASA is a paradigm of transparency, but we must have the ability and the data to be able to be transparent with. And if we're not gathering that, if we're not looking at it, then we can't bring NASA into the game and get to that good science that you need.

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▶ ⚠️ Ale to jest pojedyncza źródła, i nie mam wielu źródeł do potwierdzenia tego.

▶ ⚠️ Dziękuję panie. Próbowałem zapytać odpowiedzi, ale to było częściowo pomyślne. Pani Prezes, przyznaję się.

▶ ⚠️ Dziękuję. Teraz uznaję pana Frost za pięć minut pytań.

▶ ⚠️ Świadkowie opisują niezidentyfikowane obiekty latające widziane nad bazami wojskowymi.

[4857.37s]
Maxwell Frost U.S. Representative

You know, it was about a year ago I was touring a facility with a pretty senior government official. We went by a certain hangar and they said, yeah, that's, you know, a company leases that out. We don't really know what's going on in there. We have no way of knowing what's going on in there. And there was a few of those, in fact, while we were driving around this facility. To what extent do you think that some of the UAP out there comes from off-the-books or unauthorized experimental aircraft?

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▶ ⚠️ Dziękuję, Pani Prezes. Oprócz służby w tej komisji, Komisji Nadzorczej, również służyć na Komisji Nauki, Kosmosu i Technologii, gdzie często dyskutujemy o tym, jak ważne dane i dowody są używane w nauce i przez departamentów takich jak NASA. Podczas słuchania Administrator NASA Nelson potwierdziła znaczenie NASA w pomocy nam lepiej rozumieć UAP. Pan Gold, jeśli rząd nie ma danych, które potrzebuje na temat UAP ponieważ, powiedzmy, ktoś, kto zobaczył coś jest zaniepokojony stigmatem publicznym oporami itp. albo może nie istnieją dobre systemy w miejscu, jak to rozwiązać?

[4888.26s]
Michael Gold Associate Administrator NASA | Space Policy and Partners

I mean, I think probably the vast majority of UAP are drones, experimental aircraft, weather conditions, which is, again, why I say if we review the data, I think we're going to discover a lot about things we weren't even thinking about. But there is a percentage that isn't. And looking into those anomalies... is how discoveries will be made. And relative to science, Congressman, if I can say, when NASA studies black holes, when NASA studies galaxies, we have instruments that are tailored to do so. With UAP, we're using cockpit gun cameras or cell phones. We could never do good science with that. And let me tell you, the NASA budget is under pressure. We need to make sure that the Artemis program is funded fully. We need to beat China to the moon and maintain our presence in low Earth orbit.

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[4935.01s]
Michael Gold Associate Administrator NASA | Space Policy and Partners

NASA would need more money to do this, but I think tailored instruments that would look at UAP in the same way that we have tailored instruments to look at astronomical data is important to gathering valuable and uniform information. If we were studying black holes by using fighter cockpit cameras, we probably wouldn't know that much about black holes.

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▶ ⚠️ Dziękuję za pytanie. I chcę podziękować Administratorowi Nelsonowi że nie byłoby UAP niezależnego zespołu badawczego, gdyby nie jego liderstwo i odwaga. Mówimy o danych i skąd możemy je pobierać. Jak opisałem NASA ma całe archiwa danych wielu z których uważam, że prawdopodobnie będzie informacje pomocne w informowaniu UAP. Potrzebujemy tylko sprawdzić i ponownie, w erze AI i ML możemy to zrobić szybko i łatwo. Wiem więc, że powinniśmy to nakłonić NASA do zrobienia. Jednakże, jako odpowiedzi na komentarz pana Prezesa Grothmana dotyczący UAP skupionych na obszarach bezpieczeństwa narodowego wierzyłem, że jest coś, pane, z czym możesz być zaznajomy nazywane to bierna przesłanką, że ponieważ mamy więcej kamer, więcej monitoringu na obszarach bezpieczeństwa narodowego, nie wiemy jak eksploatacja UAP może być przewidziana nad obszarami cywilnymi. I to jest druga część twojej pytania gdzie nie zbieramy danych. Nie zbieramy wystarczającego ilości danych od pilotów.

▶ ⚠️ NASA jest przykładem transparencji, ale musimy mieć dostęp i dane, aby być przejrzystością. Jeśli nie zbieramy ich, jeśli nie badamy, to nie możemy wziąć NASA do gry i dotrzeć do tego dobrej nauki, które potrzebujemy.

[4953.67s]
Maxwell Frost U.S. Representative

A hundred percent. Well, I think it's important that federal leaders take the necessary steps to ensure that UAP does not pose threats to the American public as well, and that we have the necessary budgets to collect this data so we can actually see what's going on. And I'm fully supportive of funding the Artemis mission. I think it's very important. Also, a personal note, the pilot is a frat brother of mine. He is a member of the Phi Beta Sigma Fraternity Incorporated, and so I would love to see my fraternity make it to the moon.

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▶ ⚠️ Większość UAP jest dronami, eksperymentalnymi samolotami, warunkami atmosferycznymi. Niektóre są anomaliami i wynikają z nieautoryzowanych badań.

[4984.87s]
Michael Gold Associate Administrator NASA | Space Policy and Partners

Redwire is building the cameras for Artemis, so we will take some pictures of your frat brother and get them.

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▶ ⚠️ Nie zbieramy wystarczającego ilość danych z czynności cywilnej i komercyjnej. I to jest, ponownie, gdzie ASRS, myślę, mogłaby znacznie zmienić tę sytuację, wydając dane na ich dostępność i umożliwiając nam robić dobrą naukę.

[4988.78s]
Maxwell Frost U.S. Representative

There we go. Thank you so much. I yield back.

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[4990.96s]
Nancy Mace, U.S. Representative

Thank you. I will now recognize Ms. Luna for five minutes of questioning.

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[4994.72s]
Anna Paulina Luna, U.S. Representative

Mr. Elizondo, to your knowledge, can you name the country and around time frame that the first back-engineered UAP program started.

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[5004.09s]
Luis Elizondo, Researcher, Department of Defense

Ma'am, unfortunately, I would not be able to have that conversation in public.

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[5008.02s]
Anna Paulina Luna, U.S. Representative

Can anyone on the panel name that? I cannot. None of you? Okay. This next question is for Mr. Gallaudet. To your knowledge, have any USOs ever outpaced our submarines?

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[5024.44s]
Tim Gallaudet, Chief Executive Officer

Yes, ma'am.

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▶ ⚠️ NASA potrzebuje więcej pieniędzy, aby to zrobić, ale jest ważne mieć instrumenty dostosowane do badania UAP w taki sam sposób jak mamy instrumenty do badania danych astronomicznych. Jeśli badaliśmy czarne dziury przy użyciu kamer z kokpitu bojowego, prawdopodobnie nie wiedzielibyśmy nic o czarnych dziurach.

[5025.50s]
Anna Paulina Luna, U.S. Representative

At what magnitude?

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[5026.79s]
Tim Gallaudet, Chief Executive Officer

I don't have the exact speed, but again, a witness came to me, a credible former submarine officer who observed it on sonar data. And this was in the 80s in the North Atlantic during a storm, and it outpaced his submarine by orders of magnitude.

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▶ ⚠️ Wzywamy do większej przejrzystości w sprawie tajnych programów rządowych dotyczących UFO.

[5043.78s]
Anna Paulina Luna, U.S. Representative

Are you aware of any hot spots that currently exist off our shores in North America?

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[5049.49s]
Tim Gallaudet, Chief Executive Officer

Not with sufficiently credible data, ma'am.

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[5054.11s]
Anna Paulina Luna, U.S. Representative

Okay, we've heard reports of there potentially being hot spots, maybe entry and exit points. Have you heard of any of that?

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[5062.64s]
Tim Gallaudet, Chief Executive Officer

I have not, ma'am, but my colleague here, Mr. Elizondo, does discuss some USO activity that he's observed in certain DOD databases.

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[5073.27s]
Anna Paulina Luna, U.S. Representative

Mr. Elizondo, in regards to these aircraft being piloted by whatever they might be, non-human biologics, are you – would you – agree that it's likely that they are being piloted by some mind-body connection?

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[5088.76s]
Luis Elizondo, Researcher, Department of Defense

Ma'am, I think it is safe to presume here that they are being intelligently controlled because some cases seem to anticipate our maneuvers, and in other cases they seem to – and I came across an email where the word stalked was used in a very secure email – between Navy officers discussing their ships being pursued by a UAP.

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[5114.03s]
Anna Paulina Luna, U.S. Representative

In our previous panel, we had Grush, and he had testified to say that some of these were interdimensional beings. Can you speak on that at all?

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▶ ⚠️ Krytycy twierdzą, że Ministerstwo Obrony nie ujawnia wszystkich informacji, co budzi wątpliwości co do działań rządu.

[5122.20s]
Luis Elizondo, Researcher, Department of Defense

Ma'am, I'm not qualified, certainly as a scientist or otherwise, to speculate points of origin. I looked at everything from a scientific perspective. So if you look at, for example, instantaneous acceleration, which was one of the observables of the program that I belong to, AATIP, the human body can withstand about 9G forces for a short period of time before you suffer negative biological consequences, blackouts and ultimately redouts and even death. Comparison, our best technology, the F-16, which is an older platform, but one of our most highly maneuverable aircraft, manned aircraft, made by General Dynamics, can perform about 17 or 18 G-forces before you start having structural failure, meaning that the airframe begins to disintegrate while you're flying. The vehicles we're talking about are performing in excess of 1,000, 2,000, 3,000 Gs.

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▶ ⚠️ Pilot opisuje niezidentyfikowane obiekty latające widziane nad bazami wojskowymi.

[5169.99s]
Anna Paulina Luna, U.S. Representative

So are you, I guess, would it be safe to infer that they're living...

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Unidentified Aerial Phenomena

A congressional hearing on unidentified aerial phenomena (UAP) explores the possibility of extraterrestrial life and its implications for national security. The panelists discuss their experiences with UAP sightings and the importance of civilians reporting these incidents to improve aviation safety and advance scientific research.

PL: Przesłuchanie kongresowe na temat niezidentyfikowanych zjawisk powietrznych (UAP) bada możliwość istnienia życia pozaziemskiego i jego wpływ na bezpieczeństwo narodowe. Paneliści dzielą się swoimi doświadczeniami związanymi z obserwacjami UAP oraz podkreślają znaczenie zgłaszania takich incydentów przez cywilów w celu poprawy bezpieczeństwa lotniczego i rozwoju badań naukowych.

[5176.79s]
Luis Elizondo, Researcher, Department of Defense

draft? You know, I'm not prepared at this point to state for the record is something alive or not, because even that definition is there was a time in science we thought that life required oxygen. And we now know that's not true. There are anaerobic bacteria that thrive in oxygen environments that lack oxygen. And so it's the same with photosynthesis. When I was in college, it was told everything is derived from photosynthesis. as a form of energy. In reality, that's not true. There are things that live off of chemosynthesis. So we're constantly having to reevaluate our understanding of what the definition of life is.

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[5213.64s]
Anna Paulina Luna, U.S. Representative

Do any of you ever come across reports from people that claim to have firsthand experiences with these entities, whatever they might be, or these aircraft, and then as a result, whether or not they're religious, find that these things will automatically disappear? This is open to any of you on the panel. So just real quick, because I'm running out of time.

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▶ ⚠️ Czytelnikom zostało wykorzystane termin "tajne programy rządowe dotyczące UFO", które mogą być niezidentyfikowanymi obiektami latającymi.

[5235.48s]
Luis Elizondo, Researcher, Department of Defense

Lou? Ma'am, I've always been a nuts and bolts kind of guy when I was at ATIP. I was focusing more on the performance characteristics and less on the potential occupants.

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▶ ⚠️ Dostarczyła ona informacje o wynikach badań tajnych programów rządowych, które znajdują się na ich obszarze działania.

[5246.94s]
Anna Paulina Luna, U.S. Representative

Okay. The reason I ask is because it seems like just based on our conversations that we've had people that say that there are good and bad of whatever these things are. And so my concern from a national security perspective is, is A, that true? B, are you guys hearing the reports of that? And C, I think moving forward in regards to technology, Mr. Gold, if you can answer this real quickly, some of these aircraft, it seems that they are operating off of energy that we don't currently have. But just yes or no, in your opinion, if we were able to obtain that, would that impact humanity for the better or negative?

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▶ ⚠️ Wyniki te sugerują, że niektóre z tych obiektów latających mogą być interdimensionalnymi istotami.

▶ ⚠️ Zapytanie o szczegółowe informacje na temat tajnych programów rządowych dotyczących UFO i ich wpływ na bezpieczeństwo narodowe.

[5276.53s]
Michael Gold Associate Administrator NASA | Space Policy and Partners

It would certainly save us some money on funding on Artemis. Definitely. And this is a national security issue, that if there is such technology out there, we're not the only country that might have access to it. We don't want to be on the wrong end of technological surprise.

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[5289.28s]
Nancy Mace, U.S. Representative

Okay. Thank you guys for your time. All right, thank you. I will now recognize Mr. Garcia for five minutes.

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[5296.14s]
Mr. Garcia, U.S. Representative

Thank you, and I apologize for stepping out. My governor is here upstairs, so I'm trying to get in between meetings, so I apologize for that. I want to just start by just asking everyone on the panel, our witnesses, and I had a chance to read all the testimony before, but just to set the agenda, if we can go down real briefly, do you believe, just for the record, that the federal government, any part of the federal government, is knowingly concealing evidence about UAPs from the public?

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[5321.77s]
Tim Gallaudet, Chief Executive Officer

Yes, sir.

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▶ ⚠️ Krytycy twierdzą, że Ministerstwo Obrony nie ujawnia wszystkich informacji o UFO i tajnych programach rządowych dotyczących UFO.

[5322.29s]
Mr. Garcia, U.S. Representative

100%.

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[5325.47s]
Michael Shellenberger Founder Substack | "Public" Newsletter

Yes.

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[5327.39s]
Mr. Garcia, U.S. Representative

Yes. Thank you. I also want to just go down the line. I know many of you have already said this, but just for the record again, just briefly, what do you believe UAPs could be or are?

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[5341.02s]
Tim Gallaudet, Chief Executive Officer

Strong evidence that they are non-human, higher intelligence. I echo my colleague's comment, sir.

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[5350.07s]
Michael Shellenberger Founder Substack | "Public" Newsletter

Genuinely do not know.

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[5353.68s]
Mr. Garcia, U.S. Representative

Don't know, but we must find out. Okay, thank you. I appreciate those answers, gentlemen. I think this is obviously another remarkable hearing with just really important information, so I thank all of you for answering the questions. Admiral, I just want to go back to one thing. Now, last year, our subcommittee heard from two retired Navy pilots, Lieutenant Ryan Graves and Commander David Fravor. Regarding UAPs, actually, I think Ryan is here in the audience and been a great person to get to know and to have conversations with. He, of course, has been involved in the Safe Airspace for Americans Act with Chairman Graves, with Chairwoman Mace for UAP reporting by civilian aviation personnel. Can you discuss briefly why it's important for civilian pilots to be able to report UAPs and why these legal protections are critical for national security?

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▶ ⚠️ Świadkowie opisują niezidentyfikowane obiekty latające widziane nad bazami wojskowymi i zwracają uwagę na możliwość, że inne kraje mogą posiadać takie technologie.

[5404.10s]
Tim Gallaudet, Chief Executive Officer

Yes, Congressman, thank you. And I did invite... Ryan Graves is my guest as I'm on his advisory board for the Americans for Safe Aerospace. And the legislation that you supported and introduced, I fully support as well. And I think it's important that more civilian pilots, commercial pilots, report so we can better understand and learn and do research on UAP, as well as remove the stigma so more citizens report on what they observe. And also, it will only contribute to aviation safety when we have a better understanding of where these UAP are, how they operate, and at what frequency and what capability level. So it's important for aviation safety, and it'll be important for moving science and research forward. Thank you, sir.

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▶ ⚠️ Wizyta gubernatora w Kongresie podczas przesłuchania i zwracanie uwagi na kwestie bezpieczeństwa lotniczego dla ludzi niebawem.

[5444.97s]
Mr. Garcia, U.S. Representative

And I just want to just reiterate to my colleagues, I mean, this is a very bipartisan piece of legislation, and we just got to continue to get this through the Congress. And it's incredibly important that civilian pilots have the opportunity to safely report the UAPs that they are seeing or encountering in the air. And I can't express... how critical this piece of what I believe is a larger collection of evidence and facts actually happened. We've been approached by pilots. I've talked to folks that have been engaged with our office and others, and there is still enormous stigma. And essentially, we don't have a system where folks are feeling free to be able to report what they're seeing. And so I just want to reiterate that point. that advocacy. Mr. Gold, in your testimony, you discuss NASA's aviation safety reporting system, a confidential non-punitive reporting mechanism. In the Safe Airspace for Americans Act, we explicitly allow for civilian reporting, of course, of UAPs.

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▶ ⚠️ Powtarza się, że tylko bardziej przejrzystość w sprawie tajnych programów rządowych dotyczących UFO może pomóc zrobić korzystne dla obywateli decyzje.

[5500.44s]
Mr. Garcia, U.S. Representative

Can you explain why the NASA task force recommended the use of the aviation safety reporting system?

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▶ ⚠️ Wizyta gubernatora w Kongresie podczas przesłuchania i zwracanie uwagi na kwestie bezpieczeństwa lotniczego dla ludzi niebawem.

[5507.37s]
Michael Gold Associate Administrator NASA | Space Policy and Partners

The aviation safety reporting system is an existing system that is trusted, that has taken hundreds of thousands, now millions of cases. And again, recognizing budgetary constraints, this seemed like the perfect way to be able to gain more data. And when it comes to the stigma, sir, it's something that pilots are used to reporting on, that crew is used to reporting on. So it's a great way to get data to overcome the stigma without spending really that much more additional money since the system exists. Thank you so much for your support of that. Thank you for what Ryan Graves does. This is a common sense means to expose the truth of UAP for the purpose of this hearing.

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▶ ⚠️ Piloty ludzkie opisują niezidentyfikowane obiekty w powietrzu, widoczne na bazach wojskowych.

[5545.90s]
Mr. Garcia, U.S. Representative

Thank you. And I just want to also add, now, earlier this year, as part of the House Defense Authorization Bill, the NDAA, I filed an amendment to include the UAP Disclosure Act, which would create a UAP records review board with exercise of eminent domain over UAP-related material modeled actually on the JFK Assassination Records Collection Act, which is widely known. Now, the amendment was blocked. But thankfully, the Senate included the amendment by Senator Rounds and Schumer for the UAP Disclosure Act. So I just again want to say that we should be pushing and ensuring the UAP Disclosure Act, which is bipartisan in its support, should move forward. And if I can just briefly also, particularly Adam Roll, can you just briefly, as I close my time, explain why the UAP Disclosure Act would be critical for us and our national security?

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▶ ⚠️ Wizyta gubernatora w Kongresie podczas przesłuchania i zwracanie uwagi na kwestie bezpieczeństwa lotniczego dla ludzi niebawem.

[5594.08s]
Tim Gallaudet, Chief Executive Officer

Thank you, Congressman. Yes, I believe the UAP Disclosure Act is important for national security as well as advancing potential socioeconomic benefits resulting from UAP research as well as public safety as we referred to previously regarding aviation. And this act will allow for greater transparency and open research, and that's why I'm also a member of the UAP Disclosure Fund as an advisor, as in the SOUL Foundation, as a senior strategic advisor, which is advocating for the same. Thank you very much. I yield back.

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▶ ⚠️ Wizyta gubernatora w Kongresie podczas przesłuchania i zwracanie uwagi na kwestie bezpieczeństwa lotniczego dla ludzi niebawem.

▶ ⚠️ NASA zaleca użycie istniejącego systemu raportowania bezpieczeństwa lotniczego, który jest niepunitorym i poufanym w sprawach UFO.

[5623.74s]
Nancy Mace, U.S. Representative

All right, thank you. I'd like to recognize Mr. Biggs for five minutes of questioning.

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Overclassification and UFOs

A committee discusses overclassification of UAP information by government agencies, with Admiral Elizondo explaining that excessive secrecy has led to grave misdeeds against loyal civil servants, military personnel, and the public. The witnesses share their perspectives on why the federal government might be overclassifying this information, citing historical context, philosophical arguments, and institutional blockages of scientific ideas.

PL: Komisja omawia problem nadmiernej klasyfikacji informacji o UAP przez agencje rządowe. Admirał Elizondo wyjaśnia, że nadmierna tajemnica doprowadziła do poważnych krzywd wyrządzonych lojalnym urzędnikom państwowym, personelowi wojskowemu i opinii publicznej. Świadkowie dzielą się swoimi poglądami na temat przyczyn nadmiernej klasyfikacji tych informacji przez rząd federalny, powołując się na kontekst historyczny, argumenty filozoficzne oraz instytucjonalne blokady dla idei naukowych.

[5626.92s]
Andy Biggs, U.S. Representative

Thank you, Madam Chair. Thank you for holding this committee. Thank you to the witnesses. Admiral, the video that is called the GOFAST video, the email that you've talked about being deleted, I just want to briefly cover this. You said that the email, the author was asking whether any of the recipients were aware of the classified technology demonstrations that could explain the objects that were observed. And then you said the email disappears. Then you guys have a series of meetings. The commander of fleet forces and his operations officer never discussed the incident again. Is that accurate? That's accurate, sir. And even during weekly meetings, it was never discussed again. My question for you is, you were in those meetings. Did you personally hear that nothing was going on about that?

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▶ ⚠️ UAP Disclosure Act może pomóc zwiększyć przejrzystość i otwartość badań na temat UFO, co jest kluczowym dla bezpieczeństwa narodowego.

▶ ⚠️ Ocena przesłuchania wyznacza większą przejrzystość w sprawie tajnych programów rządowych dotyczących UFO.

[5680.52s]
Tim Gallaudet, Chief Executive Officer

Yes, sir. I was in those meetings. Did you make inquiries about that? No, I did not, sir, because I inferred, since I had been read into other special access programs, that this UAP video was part of one that I was not read into or any of the recipients read into. or the author of the email, and that an intelligence agency basically pulled it back and instructed the author of the email, hey, this is, you just conducted what they call spillage into a lower classification level, and when that's done, the procedures are basically to remove any of the communication. You're going to silo it.

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▶ ⚠️ Wizyta gubernatora w Kongresie podczas przesłuchania i zwracanie uwagi na kwestie bezpieczeństwa lotniczego dla ludzi niebawem.

▶ ⚠️ Krytycy twierdzą, że Ministerstwo Obrony nie ujawnia wszystkich informacji, co budzi wątpliwości co do działań rządu.

[5717.98s]
Andy Biggs, U.S. Representative

So, and you, Mr. Elizondo, you said in your report and your testimony today that A government work on the UAP subject still remains classified. Excessive secrecy has led to grave misdeeds against loyal civil servants, military personnel, and the public, all to hide the fact that we are not alone in the cosmos. Fair? Yes, sir. All right. And all of you, and Mr. Schellenberger, by the way, I've read several of your books, Mr. Schellenberger, excellent stuff. Thank you. What I would say, too, is you were asked about the veracity of the author of this report. Are you comfortable with veracity? Yes. Okay. And then I'll get to you in a second, Mr. Gold. We'll talk about Kunyan and Lakotoshan scientific advancement and our obviating that through these processes. But we'll get to that in a sec. Because what I want to really get to is the ultimate question really becomes this. For what purpose is the federal government overclassifying, because that's what they're doing, they're overclassifying,

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▶ ⚠️ Wizyta gubernatora w Kongresie podczas przesłuchania i zwracanie uwagi na kwestie bezpieczeństwa lotniczego dla ludzi niebawem.

▶ ⚠️ Świadkowie opisują niezidentyfikowane obiekty latające widziane nad bazami wojskowymi.

[5785.37s]
Andy Biggs, U.S. Representative

And forbidding the public for getting access to this. And if you know, if you have an explanation, I'm curious because I know what I've been told. I just want to know from your perspective, why do they over classify? Mr. Elizondo, you look like your finger on the button ready to go. Yes, sir. Forgive me.

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▶ ⚠️ Wizyta gubernatora w Kongresie podczas przesłuchania i zwracanie uwagi na kwestie bezpieczeństwa lotniczego dla ludzi niebawem.

[5806.42s]
Luis Elizondo, Researcher, Department of Defense

I think there are several reasons. I think at the time when this reality became evident to the U.S. government, we were in the middle of the Cold War with then-Soviet Union, and we did not want to tip our hands to what our knowledge base was on this topic. We did not want to broadcast that information. Cold War is long over. It is, sir. It is, sir. There's also then the philosophical argument that the Department of Defense and the intelligence community is solution-oriented. And when you don't have answers, it's a really tough spot to be in.

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[5837.22s]
Andy Biggs, U.S. Representative

It's easier to be quiet and suppressed than if you don't have the answers.

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▶ ⚠️ Uważam, że są kilka powodów. W czasie, gdy ta rzeczywistość stała się oczywista dla amerykańskiego rządu, byliśmy w miejscu zimnej wojny ze sobówowymi Zjednoczeniami. Nie chcieliśmy podawać informacji na temat naszej wiedzy na ten temat. Było łatwiejsze być cichym i zastraszonym niż jeśli nie mielibyśmy odpowiedzi.

[5840.97s]
Luis Elizondo, Researcher, Department of Defense

Indeed, sir. In fact, there's a very real example when we built a U-2 spy plane and flew it over then- And we're taking reconnaissance. And when we first started flying the aircraft, it flew so high and so fast we thought they weren't tracking us. In reality, they were tracking every flight. It wasn't until the Russians could develop the SA-2 surface-to-air missile and successfully shoot it down.

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▶ ⚠️ Wizyta gubernatora w Kongresie podczas przesłuchania i zwracanie uwagi na kwestie bezpieczeństwa lotniczego dla ludzi niebawem.

[5862.52s]
Andy Biggs, U.S. Representative

I would suggest to you also, along with Lakatos and Kuhn, you also have a problem with Kenneth Arrow's path dependence or increasing returns. That's one reason why they won't disclose it. It's too painful to admit. But I just want to read a couple things from Mr. Schellenberger's, what he gave to us today, because I think this is interesting stuff, and I just want to convey this to you. On USG networks, there exists infrared footage of and imagery of a grouping of vessels engaged in signet and mass collection at night in a specific area of the Pacific Ocean. This footage, which was in close proximity to the vessels, a large equilateral triangle UAP suddenly appears directly over the ship's These three bright points are seen at each bottom corner of the UAP, which is observed to slowly rotate on its horizontal axis. And he goes on to describe that. And I just want to read one more. And I'm doing this because I think it's interesting. This stuff is interesting as anything.

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▶ ⚠️ Świadkowie opisują niezidentyfikowane obiekty latające widziane nad bazami wojskowymi.

[5925.88s]
Andy Biggs, U.S. Representative

So let's get this one here, right here. While performing a routine airspace surveillance and control mission in the Eastern Air Defense Sector, an F-22 fighter observed multiple UAP contacts at mission altitude. Moving to intercept the F-22 pilot noted multiple metallic orbs slightly smaller than a sedan hovering in place. Upon vectoring towards the UAPs, a smaller formation of the metallic orbs accelerated at rapid speed towards the F-22, which was unable to establish radar locks on the presumed hostile UAPs The F-22 broke trajectory and attempted to evade, but was intercepted and boxed in by approximately three to six UAPs. And then I'll leave that there because I just have no more time left. Well, she's not looking. So let's just get into part of this. I thought I would be saved by the bell. No, no. Let's talk about Kunyan, Lakotoshian type of scientific development.

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▶ ⚠️ Wizyta gubernatora w Kongresie podczas przesłuchania i zwracanie uwagi na kwestie bezpieczeństwa lotniczego dla ludzi niebawem.

[5982.52s]
Andy Biggs, U.S. Representative

And the problem that we have here is you have institutional blockage of what would be normal development of scientific ideas. And if you want to expand that, Mr. Gold.

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▶ ⚠️ Wizyta gubernatora w Kongresie podczas przesłuchania i zwracanie uwagi na kwestie bezpieczeństwa lotniczego dla ludzi niebawem.

[5993.18s]
Nancy Mace, U.S. Representative

We're over time, so be very fast, please.

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▶ ⚠️ Czas wykładu się skończył, więc proszę bardzo szybko.

[5995.54s]
Michael Gold Associate Administrator NASA | Space Policy and Partners

I'll just say I'm a recovering attorney, so please take it easy on the science. But all breakthroughs have been heretical at first, and that's the challenge that we face, particularly with something as extraordinary as this, which is why gathering the data is so important. And I'll just end by saying, by the way, the over-classification of material is in no way limited to UAP. That is occurring throughout the government, as well as the inability to get people classifications in a timely and efficient manner, and then to have those classifications be broad enough to be useful. So this is a larger issue that I hope the Congress will look at.

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▶ ⚠️ Mówię tylko, że jestem przysięgłym prawnikiem, więc proszę o miłość do nauki. Ale wszystkie osiągnięcia były na początku heretyczne i to jest wyzwanie, które stawiamy przed sobą, szczególnie z tak niesamowitym tematem. Dlatego zebranie danych jest tak ważne. Zakończę mówiąc, że wykładnictwo materiału jest niezmiernie ograniczone do UAP. To działa we wszystkich sferach rządowych i brak możliwości uzyskania klasyfikacji dla ludzi w czasie, efektywnym sposobie i takimi, które są szersze dostępne. To większa problematyka, o którą mam nadzieję, że Kongres będzie się z nią zajmować.

[6026.73s]
Nancy Mace, U.S. Representative

Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Biggs. I've been generous. All right, Mr. Burleson, I'll recognize you for five minutes of questions, please.

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▶ ⚠️ Wizyta gubernatora w Kongresie podczas przesłuchania i zwracanie uwagi na kwestie bezpieczeństwa lotniczego dla ludzi niebawem.

▶ ⚠️ W czasie przeprowadzonego przesłuchania zostało omówione, że na sieciach USG istnieje wideo i obrazek infra-czerwonego grupowania statków wykonujących zbieranie informacji nocnej w określonym obszarze Pacyfiku. W tym materiałach, który był w bliskiej odległości statków, pojawia się duży trójkątnik UAP nagle na górze statku. Trzy jasne punkty są widoczne na każdej dolnej krawędzi trójkątnego UAP, który jest obserwowany wolno obracać się na swojej poziomnej osi.

[6034.98s]
Mr. Laturner

Thank you, Madam Chair. Mr. Elizondo. Does any branch of the United States government or defense contractors possess technology?

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[6048.48s]
Luis Elizondo, Researcher, Department of Defense

Sir, there's documentation that I believe was submitted for the record that was approved for release by the U.S. Pentagon by the Department of Defense Office of Pre-Publication Security Review, and it states one of the reasons why my predecessor program, OSAP, was trying to collect material of unknown origin.

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[6072.27s]
Mr. Laturner

Was it successfully collected?

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▶ ⚠️ Dziękuję. Dziękuję Pani Biggs. Byłem wysoce elastyczny. W porządku, pan Burleson, rozpoznaję cię na pięciominutowe pytania.

[6074.13s]
Luis Elizondo, Researcher, Department of Defense

It was not. What happened is that there was an aerospace contract company that requested to divest itself of the material that was collected in 1950s. Unfortunately, that didn't actually occur.

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▶ ⚠️ Dziękuję Pani Prezes. Pan Elizondo. Czy jakiś oddział rządu Stanów Zjednoczonych lub kontraktory obrony posiadają technologię?

[6085.72s]
Mr. Laturner

So let's dive into that. That's the Bigelow Airspace, correct? So there was a journalist, Christopher Sharp, who said that there was a transfer between Lockheed Martin, Bigelow Airspace, and the CIA allegedly blocked this. Can you describe that?

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▶ ⚠️ Wizyta gubernatora w Kongresie podczas przesłuchania i zwracanie uwagi na kwestie bezpieczeństwa lotniczego dla ludzi niebawem.

UAP Biological Materials and Secrecy

The transcript excerpt features an interview with a witness, Mr. Elizondo, who discusses his experiences and observations regarding Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP). He provides insights into the U.S. government's involvement, the existence of biological samples, and the potential for non-human life forms to communicate.

PL: Fragment transkrypcji zawiera wywiad ze świadkiem, panem Elizondo, który opowiada o swoich doświadczeniach i obserwacjach związanych z niezidentyfikowanymi zjawiskami powietrznymi (UAP). Przedstawia informacje na temat zaangażowania rządu USA, istnienia próbek biologicznych oraz możliwości komunikacji form życia nie-ludzkiego.

[6102.23s]
Luis Elizondo, Researcher, Department of Defense

What I can say is that it was blocked. Why it was blocked, I can only surmise. I was part of some conversations later on with some of those contract personnel where they had told all of us that is accurate. What we required was a memo from the Secretary of the Air Force in order to make that complete. And that never occurred. And so when Secretary Mattis became Secretary of Defense, I decided it would be appropriate for me to try to receive a memo from him as SECDEF, as Secretary of Defense, if we could not get a memo from the Secretary of the Air Force to transfer that material.

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▶ ⚠️ Panie, istnieje dokumentacja, którą uważam, że została przesłana na stosunek do rejestru przez Pentagon USA od Departamentu Obrony Stanów Zjednoczonych. Wskazuje jednym z powodów, dlaczego moje poprzednie programy, OSAP, próbowało zebrania materiału nieznanych pochodzenia.

[6137.82s]
Mr. Laturner

So if that material exists today, who's in possession?

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▶ ⚠️ Podczas prowadzonego przez F-22 pilota zwykłego monitorowania obszarów powietrza, obserwowano wielu kontaktów UAP na poziomie misji. Kiedy zaczął się przeszukiwanie, pilot zauważył kilka metalicznych orbity o rozmiarze trochę mniejszym niż samochód. Gdy F-22 zmierzał ku UAPs, mniejsza formacja orbity metalicznej przyśpieszyła w bardzo szybki sposób na stronę F-22, który nie udało się utworzyć radarowych zakładków na UAPs uznawanych za przeciwników.

▶ ⚠️ Został on udany?

▶ ⚠️ Panie, nie mogłbym tego rozmawiać na otwartym posiedzeniu. Chyba bylibyśmy musieli to zrobić.

[6142.99s]
Luis Elizondo, Researcher, Department of Defense

Sir, I wouldn't be able to have that conversation in an open hearing. We'd probably have to have that.

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▶ ⚠️ Wizyta gubernatora w Kongresie podczas przesłuchania i zwracanie uwagi na kwestie bezpieczeństwa lotniczego dla ludzi niebawem.

[6147.54s]
Mr. Laturner

Okay, my question to you then is, If we were in a secure setting, if we were in a SCIF, would you be able to provide or get access to something, whether it's visuals or material that we could put our hands on or biologics, that would convince me, that would show me... That we have non-human origins.

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▶ ⚠️ Moje pytanie do Ciebie jest: Jeśli bylibyśmy w bezpiecznym środowisku, jeśli bylibyśmy w SCIF, czy mógłbyś nam zapewnić lub uzyskać dostęp do coś, czy to wizualne lub materiały, które moglibyśmy dotknąć albo biologiczne, które by pokonało mnie, żeby pokazać mi... Że mamy pochodzenie nie-ludzkie.

[6172.21s]
Luis Elizondo, Researcher, Department of Defense

Sir, that decision would not be mine. That would be to the gatekeepers still in the U.S. government.

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▶ ⚠️ Nie. Co się stało to, że istniał kontraktowy przedsiębiorca lotniczy, który poprosił o wydawanie sobie z materialu zebranego w latach 50-tych. Niestety, tego nie stało się.

[6176.38s]
Mr. Laturner

And who would we – so if you were in our shoes, where would you go from here? How would you get that information? How would – a lot of times we just don't know who to ask because we don't know where to go next. So if you were in our shoes, where would you go?

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[6190.24s]
Luis Elizondo, Researcher, Department of Defense

Well, I prefer to answer that question in a closed session. However, we established Arrow for that very purpose, and unfortunately, under its previous leadership, it failed. So one would hope that they would have the authorities necessary to do that. Let's hope that this new iteration of leadership will be successful.

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▶ ⚠️ Więc przejdźmy do tego. To Bigelow Airspace? Tak, była to dziennikarka, Christopher Sharp, która powiedziała, że zostało przesunięte między Lockheed Martin, Bigelow Airspace i CIA, a właściwie blokada. Możesz opisać to?

▶ ⚠️ Panie, ta decyzja nie byłaby moją. To byłoby dla osob zarządzających w jednostce obronnej USA.

[6211.13s]
Mr. Laturner

In the discussions, it's simply about material, or is there discussion about biologics? It was previously testified that there was biologics that were collected. Are you aware of any of that?

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▶ ⚠️ Wizyta gubernatora w Kongresie podczas przesłuchania i zwracanie uwagi na kwestie bezpieczeństwa lotniczego dla ludzi niebawem.

▶ ⚠️ A kto byśmy - więc jeśli bylibyśmy na twoich nógach, gdzie idziemy dalej? Jak zdobywać te informacje? Jak - czasami tylko nie wiemy, kim pytać, ponieważ nie wiemy, gdzie się przejść. Więc jeśli bylibyśmy na twoich nógach, gdzie idziemy?

[6221.92s]
Luis Elizondo, Researcher, Department of Defense

I am, sir, aware of the reporting that biologics have been recovered. Again, my focus was more nuts and bolts, looking at the physical aspects of these phenomenon, how they interacted around military equities and nuclear equities. So I'm certainly not a medical expert. I would not be able to probably provide you a whole lot of value in that simply because I don't have the expertise.

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▶ ⚠️ To tyle mogę powiedzieć, że zostało przesunięte. Dlaczego zostało przesunięte, nie mam pojęcia. Byłem częścią kilku rozmów później z tych kontraktowych pracowników, gdzie oni powiedzieli wszystkim naszomu, że to jest dokładne. Co potrzebowaliśmy było listem od sekretarza lotnictwa w celu zrealizowania tego przesunięcia. I tego nigdy nie stało się. Więc kiedy pan Mattis stanął jako sekretarz obrony, postanowiłem spróbować uzyskać list od niego jako SECDEF, jako sekretarza obrony Stanów Zjednoczonych, jeśli nie możemy uzyskać listu od sekretarza lotnictwa w celu przesunięcia tego materiału.

[6244.19s]
Mr. Laturner

Was anything described as that we have possession of bodies? Yes. Is it multiple types of creatures or?

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▶ ⚠️ Dobrze, preferuję odpowiedzieć na to pytanie w zamkniętym posiedzeniu. Jednak stworzyliśmy Strzałę dla tego samego celu i niestety, pod jej poprzednim przywództwem, się nie udało. Dlatego można spodziewać się, że będą miały potrzebne uprawnienia do tego. Mam nadzieję, że ta nowa iteracja przywództwa będzie sukcesem.

[6252.11s]
Luis Elizondo, Researcher, Department of Defense

Sir, I couldn't answer that. I can tell you anecdotally that it was it was. discussed quite a bit when I was at the Pentagon. The problem is the supposed collection of these biological samples occurred before my time, in fact, before I was even born.

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[6264.95s]
Mr. Laturner

And was this part of the Lockheed Martin discussion, or was this completely, the biologics is a completely separate? Separate yet related. Okay. Has anyone made contact? Sir, I'm sorry, could you specify? Has there been any, to your knowledge, any communication with a non-human life form?

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▶ ⚠️ Wizyta gubernatora w Kongresie podczas przesłuchania i zwracanie uwagi na kwestie bezpieczeństwa lotniczego dla ludzi niebawem.

▶ ⚠️ W dyskusjach chodzi o prostą materię czy jest to dyskusja na temat biologicznych? Poprzednio zostało przeświadczone, że zostały zebrane biologia. Jesteś świadomy tego?

[6285.68s]
Luis Elizondo, Researcher, Department of Defense

so the term communication is a bit of a trick word because there's verbal communication like we're having now the problem is you also have non-verbal communication and so i would say definitively yes but from a non-verbal meaning when a russian reconnaissance aircraft comes into u.s airspace we scramble two f-22s and we are certainly communicating intent and capability i think the same goes with this we have these things that are being observed over controlled u.s airspace And they're not really doing a good job hiding themselves. They're making it pretty obvious they have the ability to even interfere with our nuclear equities and our nuclear readiness.

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▶ ⚠️ Jeśli to material istnieje dziś, kto go posiada?

[6320.58s]
Mr. Laturner

Is the United States government and our contractors, are they pulling technology from this? Are they reverse engineering this?

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▶ ⚠️ Wizyta gubernatora w Kongresie podczas przesłuchania i zwracanie uwagi na kwestie bezpieczeństwa lotniczego dla ludzi niebawem.

▶ ⚠️ Tak, panie, jestem świadom odpowiedzi, że biologiczne zostały odnalezione. Powtarzam, moje skupienie było na większości elementach mechanicznymi, patrząc na fizyczne aspekty tych zjawisk, jak się komunikują wokół żołnierzy i ekwiwalentów jądrowych. Tak więc nie jestem prawdziwym medycznym ekspertem. Nie mogę być prawdopodobnie dla Ciebie bardzo wartościowym w tym, bo nie posiadam odpowiedniej kwalifikacji.

[6330.40s]
Luis Elizondo, Researcher, Department of Defense

Sir, as I previously stated, please forgive me, I am not authorized to discuss this. specifics about crash retrievals. Again, I signed documentation with the U.S. government. What I can say was, after a very thorough review process by the Pentagon, what I wrote about. And that was my limit, unfortunately, that I was given. Thank you. Yes, sir.

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[6351.75s]
Nancy Mace, U.S. Representative

Thank you. I would like to recognize Mr. Timmons for five minutes of questioning.

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▶ ⚠️ Coś zostało opisane jako takie, że mamy posiadanie ciał? Tak. Czy to jest wielokrotny rodzaj stworzeń lub?

[6356.02s]
Mr. Timmons, U.S. Representative

Thank you, Madam Chair. Mr. Elizondo, you just said something interesting. You said they don't seem to be hiding. They don't seem to be hiding. The UAP sightings are becoming increasingly brash, if you will. And, you know, we've been hearing about these for years, but they've generally been isolated and not as consistent and over critical military installations. Would you say that's fair? Is this becoming increasingly often? Is it happening more and more?

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▶ ⚠️ Słowo komunikacja jest trochę zwrotnym, ponieważ istnieje mowa i niemowa. Mówiąc definitywnie tak, ale w sensie niemowy, gdy samolot rosyjskiego szpiegostwa przychodzi na luftę stanu USA, zwyróżniamy dwie F-22 i komunikujemy intencje i możliwości. Tak samo jest w tym przypadku. Mamy rzeczy, które są obserwowane nad kontrolowanym lądem stanu USA, a oni nie zasłaniają się dobrze.

[6385.19s]
Luis Elizondo, Researcher, Department of Defense

Great question, sir. Let me see if I can answer this for you. Certainly there seems to be some indication that they're being provocative, meaning that they're in some cases literally splitting aircraft formations right down the middle. So that's an air safety issue. The question is, is it the frequency increasing? And really the response is, it depends. Yes, it's possible that there is an increase in frequency, but it's also possible that there's heightened awareness now, and there's also more pervasiveness of technology out there that's collecting this information and that can record this information. So we're not quite sure yet if it's actually an increase in numbers of these events, or is it that we have better equipment now to record these things and we have a better ability, if you will, to analyze these things.

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▶ ⚠️ Panie, nie mogę odpowiedzieć na to pytanie. Mógłbym wam tylko powiedzieć anekdotycznie, że to było dyskusja bardzo często kiedy byłem w Pentagonie. Problem polega na tym, że zdobycie tych biologicznych próbek zostało dokonane przed moją przybyciem, a nawet przed mojego narodzenia.

[6431.45s]
Mr. Timmons, U.S. Representative

And that's my next question. It seems that a lot of these sightings occur near military installations. Do you think that These UAPs are intentionally targeting military installations, or do you think that we have increased abilities to monitor surrounding military installations?

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▶ ⚠️ I czy to był częścią dyskusji Lockheed Martin, czy było to całkowicie oddzielne? Oddzielne jednak powiązane. Dobrze. Czy ktokolwiek do tej pory zawiadomiony o kontakcie? Panie, przepraszam, czy mógłbym się bardziej szczegółować? Czy było to jakiś kontakt, do Twojej wiedzy, z nie-ludzkim żywiołem?

▶ ⚠️ Czy rząd Stanów Zjednoczonych i ich kontraktantowe przechodzą na tę technologię? Czy oni odwrócają te pojazdy?

[6447.53s]
Luis Elizondo, Researcher, Department of Defense

Sir, it may be both. Part of my concern is we have something in the Department of Defense and the intelligence community called IPB, initial preparations of the battle space. And we use equities like ISR, intelligence, surveillance, reconnaissance, and other type of equities and technologies to prep the battle space. And certainly, you know, if I was wearing my national security hat, even if there was a 2% chance that there was some sort of hostile intent here, that's 2% higher than we really can accept. And so we must figure out, there's a calculus, capabilities versus intent, in order to identify if something is a national security threat. We've seen some of the capabilities, yet we have no idea the intent. And so this is why this discussion is somewhat, I think, problematic from a governmental perspective, because we have no idea.

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▶ ⚠️ Panie, jak wcześniej stwierdziłem, prosimy o miłość. Nie mam uprawnienia do dyskusji na temat szczegółów związanych z odzyskiwaniem kosztuje. Ponownie podpisałem dokumentację z rządu USA. Można powiedzieć, że po przejrzystym procesie przeprowadzonego przez Pentagon, o tym pisałem. I to było moje limitowanie, niestety, które mi zostało podane. Dziękuję. Tak, panie.

[6494.75s]
Mr. Timmons, U.S. Representative

Sure, thank you. Mr. Schellenberger, you're particularly familiar with the Langley Air Force Base incident a year ago?

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[6500.41s]
Michael Gold Associate Administrator NASA | Space Policy and Partners

Are you familiar? Just from what I read in the news.

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[6502.10s]
Mr. Timmons, U.S. Representative

Just from what you've read? Yeah. I would imagine a large percentage of the American population became aware of that with the Wall Street Journal article. Would you agree with that? Yes. And were you aware of that incident prior to the Wall Street Journal article? No. To the rest of the panel, was the Wall Street Journal article the first time that y'all were made aware of what was essentially an over-two-week UAP frenzy over Langley Air Force Base? Were y'all aware of this prior to the Wall Street Journal article? Anybody? Show of hands. Yes, sir. Dr. Gayet, could you give me your – how did you become aware of it?

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▶ ⚠️ Dziękuję. Chciałbym uznać pana Timmonsa za pięciominutowy pytania.

▶ ⚠️ Wydarzenie w Langley Air Force Base zostało opisane przez Wall Street Journal i ogólną publiczność.

[6542.76s]
Tim Gallaudet, Chief Executive Officer

Well, a colleague of mine who I referenced previously, Chris Mellon, he wrote an extensive article about this, that there were other incursions of drones over Langley before this, as well as many, many military installations over the last five decades.

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▶ ⚠️ Dziękuję, Pani Chair. Pan Elizondo, powiedzianoś ciebie coś interesującego. Powiedzieliście, że one nie wydają się zasłaniać. Wydaje się, że obserwacje UAP stają się coraz bardziej ostre, jeśli chodzi o to, że są widoczne gdzie indziej niż wcześniej. Czy to jest prawdziwa? Czy te zdarzenia dzieje się coraz częściej?

Unidentified Aerial Phenomena and Defense

The hearing transcripts reveal discussions on UAPs, their potential connection to China or non-human entities, and the need for authorities to address these issues. The conversation also touches on the Pentagon's Immaculate Constellation program and its relationship to UAP activities in oceanic environments.

PL: Transkrypcje przesłuchań ujawniają dyskusje na temat UAP, ich potencjalnych powiązań z Chinami lub bytami nie-ludzkimi oraz potrzebę zajęcia się tymi kwestiami przez władze. Rozmowa dotyczy również programu Pentagonu o nazwie Immaculate Constellation i jego związku z aktywnością UAP w środowiskach oceanicznych.

[6557.82s]
Mr. Timmons, U.S. Representative

And it's my understanding there's been an ever-increasing number, and I'm trying to think how to say this, because... I wear two different hats. I'm still in the Air Force. So it seems that they're becoming increasingly brash. And the question that we really have to figure out is, is it China or is it non-human? And I think that's the biggest question the American people want to know. If it's China, it's scary because they have a lot of technology that we cannot explain. And if it's non-human, that's scary because we don't know the intent.

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[6588.19s]
Tim Gallaudet, Chief Executive Officer

Would you say that's fair? Yes, Congressman. In fact, I really believe that we should use this hearing as a catalyst to improve and bolster our air defense capabilities and our maritime domain awareness capabilities, because obviously there are holes in it, whether it be UAP of non-HI direction or NHI direction or, as you say, sir, China or any other adversary.

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▶ ⚠️ Dobra pytania, panie. Spójrzcie, jeśli mogę odpowiedzieć na to dla was. Oczywiście wydaje się, że są one provokujące, co oznacza, że przełamują się pomiędzy formacjami samolotów. To jest kwestia bezpieczeństwa powietrza. Pytanie brzmi: czy liczba zdarzeń wzrasta? I odpowiedzią jest, że nie jesteśmy pewni. Tak, możliwe, że istnieje wzrost liczby tych zdarzeń, ale także możliwe, że stworzyły się lepsze technologie do rejestrowania tej informacji i mamy lepsze umiejętności, jeśli chodzi o analizowanie tych rzeczy.

▶ ⚠️ UAP są coraz bardziej odważne, co prowadzi do pytania, czy to Chińczycy czy nie-ludzkie istoty.

[6612.74s]
Mr. Timmons, U.S. Representative

Are you all aware of any task force at the Pentagon or in the national security apparatus that's trying to assess the answer to that question?

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▶ ⚠️ Czy wszyscy są świadomi tajemniczego programu w Pentagonie lub w systemie bezpieczeństwa narodowego, który próbuje ocenić odpowiedź na to pytanie?

[6619.44s]
Tim Gallaudet, Chief Executive Officer

At the current moment, sir, no, but this is a great point. From 2020 to 2022, there was a UAP task force in the DOD succeeding where Mr. Elizondo worked, led by Jay Stratton, who had the first comprehensive whole government approach to UAP, which involved pathways to declassification and to increase transparency, as well as assessing the national security risks of UAP and This was a really well-established approach, and we have all advocated that something like it return.

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▶ ⚠️ Wydarzenia tego rodzaju pokazują luki w obronie powietrznej i obserwacji morza, które trzeba naprawić.

[6652.58s]
Mr. Timmons, U.S. Representative

I'm running out of time. The last thing is that we need authorities. The law enforcement, military do not have authorities to actually engage, and Congress needs to act to give those authorities to local law enforcement and the military so they have clear guidelines on how to assess these issues going forward. I yield back. Thank you.

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▶ ⚠️ I to jest moje następne pytanie. Wydaje się, że wiele zdarzeń miało miejsce blisko instalacji militarnych. Czy są one intencjonalnie docelowe instalacje militery? Czy my posiadamy lepsze umiejętności, aby monitorować okoliczne instalacje militery?

[6670.42s]
Nancy Mace, U.S. Representative

Thank you. I'd like to recognize Ms. Boebert for five minutes of questioning.

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[6673.74s]
MS. Boebert, U.S. Representative

Thank you, Madam Chair. Now that we have all been cautioned in this committee hearing that the mention of Pentagon's Immaculate Constellation program could put us on a list, well, I already find myself on many lists, I'm sure. So I speak my mind often, so why not just keep going with it? May as well just go all out and say it. The earth is flat. Birds are government drones. And we've never set foot on the moon, and Joe Biden received 81 million votes in the 2020 election. So let's just see how many lists we could get on here today. But Mr. Schellenberger, I wanted to ask you, I think I understand from this hearing that you would agree that classifying information like this is not in the best interest of the people. Is that correct?

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▶ ⚠️ Wizyta gubernatora w Kongresie podczas przesłuchania i zwracanie uwagi na kwestie bezpieczeństwa lotniczego dla ludzi niebawem.

▶ ⚠️ Obecnie nie, panie. Ale to bardzo ważne zagadnienie. Od 2020 do 2022 r. istniała grupa badająca UAP w DOD, która osiągnęła sukces na tle pracy pana Elizondona. Grupa była przełożoną przez Jay'ego Strattona i miała ogólnoustrojne podejście do UAP, które obejmowało ścieżki do deklasifikacji i zwiększenia przejrzystości. W tym celu również oceniany była zagrożenie bezpieczeństwa narodowego wynikające z UAP. To był bardzo dobrze ustawiony podejście, i każdy z nas przychylił się do powrotu takiego programu.

[6723.76s]
Michael Shellenberger Founder Substack | "Public" Newsletter

Yeah, I mean, with the caveat that, of course, I would support classification necessary to protect secrets essential to national security, but I think it's pretty obvious that there's over-classification.

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▶ ⚠️ Za mało czasu. Ostatnie pytanie to potrzeba uprawnień. Policja i wojsko nie mają uprawnień do interwencji, a Kongres musi dziać, aby przydzielić takie uprawnienia lokalnej policji i wojsku, dzięki czemu miałyby jasne zasady oceny tych spraw w przyszłości. Zwrotem na żądanie. Dziękuję.

[6733.53s]
MS. Boebert, U.S. Representative

Over-classification, yes. And so, in most instances, if they can't tell us what, do you think at some point they'll at least tell us why?

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[6740.78s]
Michael Shellenberger Founder Substack | "Public" Newsletter

You know, President-elect Trump has repeatedly committed to greater transparency, both on the UAP issue, on... JFK files on COVID origins and many other things. So I think that we need to make sure that the next administration is held accountable for that.

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[6758.12s]
MS. Boebert, U.S. Representative

Agreed. And this is for all four of you. Yes or no, please. I have many questions I want to get to. Are there any known instances of recovered materials or technologies that are not of human origin and may be connected to any advanced bioscience defense programs within the USG?

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▶ ⚠️ Dziękuję. Chciałabym uznać panią Boebert za pytania o czasie 5 minut.

[6779.92s]
Luis Elizondo, Researcher, Department of Defense

I don't know. I wouldn't be able to answer that, ma'am. I don't know. I don't know.

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[6786.74s]
MS. Boebert, U.S. Representative

Okay, so there are rumors that have come up to the Hill of a secretive project within the Department of Defense involving the manipulation of human genetics with what is described as non-human genetic material, potentially for the enhancement of human capabilities, hybrids. Are any of you familiar with that? Yes or no?

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▶ ⚠️ Dziękuję, Pani Chair. Teraz, gdy wszyscy na tym spotkaniu byli przekonani, że mowa o programie Immaculate Constellation w Pentagonie może nas umieszczać na liście, to pewnie już jestem na wielu listach. Więc często mówię swojej myśl i dlaczego nie powinienem się kontynuować? Załóżmy, że będziemy całkowicie przejawiać to. Ziemia jest płaska. Ptaki są dronami rządowymi i nigdy nie stanęliśmy na księżycu, a Joe Biden otrzymał 81 milionów głosów w wyborach prezydenckich w 2020 roku. Tak więc sprawdźmy, jak wiele list możemy znaleźć dziś. Ale pan Schellenberger, chciałabym spytać cię: myślę, że zrozumiałam na tym spotkaniu, że byłbyś przystępną do klasyfikacji informacji. Czy to prawda?

[6810.21s]
Luis Elizondo, Researcher, Department of Defense

No, ma'am. I am not, ma'am. I am not. No, ma'am.

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[6815.20s]
MS. Boebert, U.S. Representative

Okay, I would like to know, with immaculate constellation, how does this relate to UAP activities, Mr. Schellenberg, in oceanic environments? Are there any instances where the Navy or other marine time forces have encountered UAPs that could not be explained by known technology or natural phenomena?

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▶ ⚠️ Prezydent-władca Trump zapowiada większą przejrzystość w sprawie UFO, także na temat plików JFK i źródła COVID.

[6839.15s]
Michael Shellenberger Founder Substack | "Public" Newsletter

Yeah, the Megalithic Constellation covers both terrestrial and oceanic, and there's actually a number of cases described in the report that occur in the ocean.

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[6848.38s]
MS. Boebert, U.S. Representative

And do you believe that there is a concerted effort by the Pentagon to keep Congress out of the loop regarding these UAP activities, specifically in our waters?

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▶ ⚠️ Tak, chociaż o tym wspomniałem, że natomiast bardzo szybko zrozumiemy, że jest przejadło klasyfikacji.

[6856.71s]
Michael Shellenberger Founder Substack | "Public" Newsletter

Yes.

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▶ ⚠️ Czy są jakiekolwiek znane przykłady materiałów lub technologii odzyskanych, które nie pochodzą od ludzi i mogą być powiązane z programami ochrony bioscience w USA?

[6857.29s]
MS. Boebert, U.S. Representative

I think it's about 5% of our ocean that's actually been... studied in detail by man, and we've studied more of space than we have of our own oceans. And so are there any accounts of UAPs emerging from or submerging into our water, which could indicate a base or presence beneath the ocean's surface?

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[6879.85s]
Michael Shellenberger Founder Substack | "Public" Newsletter

I don't know about a base, but as I mentioned, I had a different source entirely describe this pretty extraordinary footage that exists of an orb coming out of the ocean and being met by another orb.

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[6890.92s]
MS. Boebert, U.S. Representative

Some would say that there's multiple hotspots where we see frequent activity. So in your investigations, have you come across any data or visual evidence like sonar readings or underwater footage of these UAPs?

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[6905.45s]
Michael Shellenberger Founder Substack | "Public" Newsletter

I have not beyond what's in the report.

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[6908.00s]
MS. Boebert, U.S. Representative

You've written about UAPs not only in the air but in underwater. Are there any specifics on what you've learned about the UAP activity in our oceans? Particularly, have you spoken with sources who have provided any evidence or eyewitness accounts of these UAPs interacting with our naval forces or being detected by our underwater surveillance systems?

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▶ ⚠️ Czy są jakiekolwiek raporty dotyczące manipulacji genetyki ludzkiej z nieznanej źródła genetycznego, może na potrzeby wzmocnienia umiejętności ludzi lub hybrydy?

[6934.24s]
Michael Shellenberger Founder Substack | "Public" Newsletter

Nothing beyond what's in the report and in the specific case that I mentioned with the orbs.

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[6938.85s]
MS. Boebert, U.S. Representative

So this report says it all. There's no other information that we are aware of regarding the activity within our waters.

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[6947.42s]
Michael Shellenberger Founder Substack | "Public" Newsletter

I have other sources that have told me that have shared a significant amount of information, but they're not comfortable with me sharing it at this point.

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[6954.89s]
MS. Boebert, U.S. Representative

Okay, are there any technological capabilities observed in these oceanic UAPs that seem to defy our current understanding of physics or our engineering capabilities? It seems like they all do. Yes, I would agree with that. And my time is up, but I do appreciate your bravery, your courage for coming here and speaking today. And it seems like there's still some questions that we need answers to, and we will not relent until we get those to the American people. Thank you all.

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▶ ⚠️ Niektórzy twierdzą, że istnieją wielokrotnie obserwowane lokalizacje związane z aktywnością UFO. Czy podczas swoich badań dostarczyłeś dowodów na to, że te obiekty są widoczne w wodach?

[6988.16s]
Nancy Mace, U.S. Representative

Thank you. I move to allow myself and the ranking member five additional minutes for questions without objection so ordered. Mr. Elizondo, were you read into the Immaculate Constellation program?

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▶ ⚠️ Wizyta gubernatora w Kongresie podczas przesłuchania i zwracanie uwagi na kwestie bezpieczeństwa lotniczego dla ludzi niebawem.

▶ ⚠️ Czy istnieje jakaś koncentracja przez Pentagon w celu utrzymania Kongresu na marginesie działań UFO, szczególnie w naszych wodach?

▶ ⚠️ Nie poza tym co jest w raporcie.

[6998.88s]
Luis Elizondo, Researcher, Department of Defense

Ma'am, I would not be authorized to confirm nor deny the existence of any ongoing or past program, especially as it relates to a special access program, either by name or trigraph.

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[7010.89s]
Nancy Mace, U.S. Representative

Okay, and then are there, does the U.S. government or private contractors, do they work with other foreign countries, China, for example, to exchange data, quote, from a source, that intelligence data about UAP?

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[7023.57s]
Luis Elizondo, Researcher, Department of Defense

Let me see if I can answer that a little bit more generally, ma'am, if I may. We do have foreign material exploitation programs That is something that is widely known, and that term itself is unclassified. How exactly that works becomes a bit sensitive. It's a discussion we could certainly have in a closed session if you like. We do work with international partners and allies quite often, not just in military exercises and workups. but in other intelligence efforts as well.

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▶ ⚠️ Czy masz informacje o aktywności UFO na oceanie, szczególnie dotyczące ich interakcji z naszymi siłami morskimi lub wykrycia przez systemy nadzorem podwodnego?

[7051.86s]
Nancy Mace, U.S. Representative

In terms of material that's given to private contractors, is certain material given to certain contractors because of their experience? So for example, if it's related to submerged and undersea propulsion, would it go to a general contractor like General Dynamics?

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▶ ⚠️ Nie poza tym co jest w raporcie i w konkretnym przypadku, o którym mowa z orbami.

Defining Non-Human Intelligence and Assessing UAP Threats

The transcript excerpt details a hearing on Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAPs) where experts discuss their experiences and concerns. Lockheed Martin's involvement in UAP research is touched upon, as well as the potential risks to pilots and national security. The discussion also delves into the definition of non-human intelligence, with some panelists suggesting that it might not be biological.

PL: Fragment transkrypcji opisuje przesłuchanie dotyczące niezidentyfikowanych zjawisk powietrznych (UAP), podczas którego eksperci omawiają swoje doświadczenia i obawy. Poruszono temat zaangażowania Lockheed Martin w badania nad UAP oraz potencjalnego zagrożenia dla pilotów i bezpieczeństwa narodowego. Dyskusja zagłębia się także w definicję inteligencji nie-ludzkiej, przy czym niektórzy paneliści sugerują, że może ona nie mieć charakteru biologicznego.

[7066.43s]
Luis Elizondo, Researcher, Department of Defense

Yes, ma'am, absolutely correct. Different contractors have different levels of expertise. What's Lockheed's expertise? Aerospace, ma'am.

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▶ ⚠️ Czy te obiekty mają technologiczne możliwości, które nie są zgodne z naszą wiedzą fizyczną lub zdolnościami inżynierii?

[7073.84s]
Nancy Mace, U.S. Representative

In the UAP space, that's all? They wouldn't do submerged?

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[7078.74s]
Luis Elizondo, Researcher, Department of Defense

No, I didn't say that, ma'am. Lockheed Martin and others do quite a bit of work both in our atmosphere, in space, and even underwater. There are certain efforts to – it's a tough question you're asking. You're putting me on the spot here.

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[7096.30s]
Nancy Mace, U.S. Representative

I'm looking for the answer.

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▶ ⚠️ Tak, byłbym zgodny z tym. Moim czasem się kończy, ale dziękuję za swoją odwagę i uczciwość w przybyciu na to miejsce i rozmowę dzisiaj. Wydawać by się, że nadal jest kilka pytań o których potrzebujemy odpowiedzi, a nie zwolnimy do momentu uzyskania tych dla amerykańskich ludzi. Dziękuję wszystkim.

[7097.26s]
Luis Elizondo, Researcher, Department of Defense

Yes, ma'am. No, they are involved in a lot. I would rather let Lockheed Martin explain the difference. domains that they are involved with. Probably not authorized to discuss that, but they are involved in a lot of different areas and domains.

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[7109.49s]
Nancy Mace, U.S. Representative

Admiral, flight safety risks for our pilots, based on what you've experienced and seen in your career?

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[7115.94s]
Tim Gallaudet, Chief Executive Officer

They're extensive, and one exercise I referred to where I received the email that was then deleted was the pilots, and this is worth bringing out. There are debunkers out there who have said the GOFAST video was just a balloon. That was only one video that was released. There were dozens of these encounters that pilots and friends of Ryan Graves, who's in this room right here, witnessed and caused significant safety concerns. And to almost call out and exercise it and shut it down, which is very compressed and the carrier is getting ready for deployment and the pilots have to get certified to land on a carrier, it's extreme to say the least.

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▶ ⚠️ Czy są raporty dotyczące UAP pochodzących z lub podnosią się do naszych wod, co mogłoby wskazywać na obiekt podwodny lub istnienie pod powierzchnią oceanu?

▶ ⚠️ Dziękuję. Zezwalam na ustawienie sobie i zastępcie pięciu minut dodatkowych pytań bez sprzeciwu, tak to zadane. Pan Elizondo, czy byłeś wcześniej przedstawiony programem Immaculate Constellation?

▶ ⚠️ Czy materiały są przekazywane do kontraktantów prywatnych w zależności od ich doświadczenia? Na przykład, jeśli chodzi o podwodne i podmorskie napędy, będzie to sięgnąć do kontraktanta ogólnego typu jak General Dynamics?

[7154.54s]
Nancy Mace, U.S. Representative

All right, I have two last questions. Real quickly, Mr. Schellenberger, how do we get more whistleblowers to come forward?

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▶ ⚠️ Pani, nie mam uprawnień do potwierdzenia ani odrzucenia istnienia żadnego bieżącego czy przeszłego programu, szczególnie w odniesieniu do specjalnego dostępu, ani poprzez nazwę lub trigraf.

▶ ⚠️ Tak, pani, absolutnie poprawne. Różni kontrahenci mają różne poziomy ekspertizy. Jakie jest zdolność Lockheed'a? Lotnictwo w przestrzeni, pani.

[7162.87s]
Michael Shellenberger Founder Substack | "Public" Newsletter

Well, this hearing is very important, and obviously I can't encourage whistleblowers to obtain information, but I can guarantee that I will protect them and go to prison to protect their identities if they come to me.

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▶ ⚠️ W obszarze UAP to tylko to? Nie biorą udziału podwodnie?

[7175.87s]
Nancy Mace, U.S. Representative

Yes, sir. Okay, my last question. The first hearing we had on this, I never briefed on UAPs or what they were, biologics, non-human, etc., How would you define, each of you, my last question, how would you define non-human biologics, non-human intelligence? What are we actually talking about? Admiral, and we'll go down the line.

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▶ ⚠️ Czy rząd USA czy prywatni kontrahenci przekazywają dane ze współpracy z Chinami na temat inteligencji o UFO?

▶ ⚠️ Nie mówiłem o tym, pani. Lockheed Martin i inni wykonują sporo pracy w atmosferze naszej, w przestrzeni i nawet pod wodą. Są pewne starania - to jest trudna pytania, którą zadajesz. Zmuszasz mnie na miejscu tutaj.

[7196.64s]
Tim Gallaudet, Chief Executive Officer

I don't think it's a stretch when you look at the diversity of life on this planet and the size of this universe to think that there would be more diverse, higher order, non-human intelligence throughout the universe. And that's probably what's visiting us.

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▶ ⚠️ Szukam odpowiedzi.

[7209.50s]
Luis Elizondo, Researcher, Department of Defense

I would take the scientific approach. The definition would be the ability to react to a stimulus in a manner that requires an intellectual thought process.

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▶ ⚠️ Wierzy się, że wieloletnia różnorodność życia na Ziemi i rozmiar wszechświata sugerują istnienie bardziej zróżnicowanego, wyższego stopnia inteligencji nie-ludzkiej we wszechświecie. I to prawdopodobnie to co odwiedza nas.

[7222.08s]
Michael Shellenberger Founder Substack | "Public" Newsletter

I just don't know.

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▶ ⚠️ Tak, pani. Nie, uczestniczą w sporo różnych działach i obszarach. Chciałbym pozwolić Lockheed Martin opisać różnice domen, w których są zaangażowani. Prawdopodobnie nie jestem uprawniony do dyskusji na ten temat, ale uczestniczą w sporo różnych obszarach i działach.

[7224.22s]
Michael Gold Associate Administrator NASA | Space Policy and Partners

I think we must be modest in our assumptions that we're looking for intelligence that could be biological. It might not.

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[7231.04s]
Nancy Mace, U.S. Representative

Non-biological, but what non-biological intelligence, what does that mean though?

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[7235.76s]
Michael Gold Associate Administrator NASA | Space Policy and Partners

Artificial intelligence, ML, machines. We assume that all intelligence would be like us. And every time we look out in the universe, we are humbled relative to what we don't know in terms of the forms of intelligence and what it may take. I can assure you, I probably can't ask you your question, but I think the ultimate answer is going to surprise us all.

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[7253.48s]
Nancy Mace, U.S. Representative

And then, Mr. Garcia, did a few closing remarks.

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▶ ⚠️ Zezwalam na tę odpowiedź, ale jeśli chciałabym się bardziej ogólnie przyjrzeć, Pani, moglibyśmy to rozważać w sesji zamkniętej. Współpracujemy ze sojusznikiem i aliansem międzynarodowym często, nie tylko podczas ćwiczeń wojskowych ani przygotowań, ale też innych działań inteligencji.

[7256.28s]
Mr. Garcia, U.S. Representative

And I know we're about to get votes here, so I'll be brief. Just I want to thank you all for being here. I want to thank Chairwoman Mace especially for holding this important bipartisan hearing. And I want to thank all the committee members that are interested in this topic. I think our commitment to all of you and all the folks who have contacted us and certainly to. of the advocates and the pilots is that we need to continue investigating UAPs. I think the country owes, the country is owed explanations and ensure that the safety of national security is always protected. This is a conversation and questioning that must continue. So I'm very grateful to all of you. And I also just wanna just add, just personally, I think it's really important for me, two things guide my questioning and my observations on UAPs is one is We should always be guided by facts, science, and data, and stay serious on those issues.

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▶ ⚠️ Admirał, ryzyko bezpieczeństwa lotu dla naszych pilotów, oparte na tym, co doświadczyliśmy i zobaczyliśmy w swojej karierze?

▶ ⚠️ Zaakceptowałem przyrodniczą metodę. Definicja polega na możliwości reagowania na stymul w sposób, który wymaga procesu myślowego.

[7308.95s]
Mr. Garcia, U.S. Representative

And the second thing is I think that we should not limit our imagination and our thoughts and our curiosity on what UAPs could actually be. And I think those two things for me are really important, and I'm grateful for all of you to be here. So with that, I yield back.

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▶ ⚠️ Jest ekscytujące, a jedno ćwiczenie, do którego odwoływałem się, gdzie otrzymałem wiadomość, która została następnie usunięta, to pilotowie i to warto wspomnieć. Są debunkerzy, którzy powiedzieli, że wideo GOFAST był tylko balonem. To był jedyny film, który został opublikowany. Było setki tych spotkań, pilotom i przyjaciołom Ryan Gravesa, który jest w tej sali, widzianych i sprawiających istotne obawy związane z bezpieczeństwem. I do prawie wywołania ćwiczenia i zamknięcia go, co jest bardzo kompresowanym i ładownik przygotowuje się na wdrożenie i pilotowie muszą uzyskać certyfikat do lądowania na ładowniku, to ekstremalne mówiąc o tym.

▶ ⚠️ Nie wiem.

[7322.44s]
Nancy Mace, U.S. Representative

Okay, and we have Mr. Ogles, who is on the way. He's going to be here any second. Is that correct? Yes. And he'll be the last member with questions that we have today, and then we have votes. So we want to thank you all for being here. I want to thank Mr. Garcia and folks on both sides of the aisle for being here today and being patient. We have a lot more questions, and I hope that this will open the door to more hearings in the future. I obviously would like to know how much taxpayers are spending. On this, you have the right to know, but also if we're spending money on something that doesn't exist, why are we spending the money? And if it does exist, why are we hiding it from the public?

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[7362.08s]
Nancy Mace, U.S. Representative

And of course, our national security is a huge issue because if there's technology that could harm us or allies that are in the hands of our adversaries, we obviously want to stay ahead of that to the best of our ability to ensure that that technology is not in the hands of someone who could use it against us. or allies anywhere in the world. So Mr. Ogles, you're just in time, babe. I will recognize you for five minutes of questioning before we head on out today.

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▶ ⚠️ Dobrze, mam dwie ostatnie pytania. Bardzo szybko, pan Schellenberger, jak doświadczacie będziemy zdobywać więcej informatorów?

▶ ⚠️ To tego dnia jest bardzo ważne, a oczywiście nie mogę wspomnieć informatorów, aby uzyskać informacje, ale zapewniam, że będę chronił i przejść do więzienia, aby chronić ich tożsamości, jeśli przychodzą do mnie.

[7403.15s]
Andy Ogles IV U.S. Representative U.S. House of Representatives

Well, thank you all for being here. And Madam Chairwoman, I'm out of breath because I sprinted to get here. But this is an important hearing. I think we all know that there's something going on. Mr. Elizondo, based on your knowledge of UAP sightings, do you believe it's fair to say that they are especially common near nuclear sites?

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▶ ⚠️ Tak, panie. Dobrze, ostatnia moja pytania. Pierwsza konferencja na ten temat nigdy mi nie opowiedziano o UAPach czy to były biologiczne, nie-ludzkie itp. Jak według was każdy z was definiuje nie-ludzkie biologiczne, nie-ludzkie inteligencje? O co naprawdę mowa? Admirał i przejdźmy do kolejnych.

▶ ⚠️ Musimy być zdolni do oceny inteligencji, która może być biologiczna. Może to nie być.

[7425.41s]
Luis Elizondo, Researcher, Department of Defense

Yes, sir. Mr. Congressman, I absolutely am convinced of that, as are my colleagues inside the government.

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[7433.30s]
Andy Ogles IV U.S. Representative U.S. House of Representatives

And the reason why I pose that question, and this has been one of my talking points from the beginning, is Oak Ridge is in Tennessee. The so-called weather balloon that drifted that we now know was controlled, it passed near Oak Ridge. It obviously is a sensitive site, both of interest to our adversaries and to whatever else this is. Because we know that at military installations, at sensitive locations such as nuclear facilities, that we're seeing this take place. So the question is, what is it? Do you believe they've caused an irregular activity, and why might they be interested in those sites?

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▶ ⚠️ Oczywiście, bezpieczeństwo narodowe jest wielkim problemem, ponieważ jeśli istnieje technologia, która mogłaby nas obrzezać lub być używana przeciwnikom, chcemy zapewnić swoją bezpieczeństwo.

[7475.68s]
Luis Elizondo, Researcher, Department of Defense

Sir, in some cases, it's actually regular activity. You'd be surprised. There's actually documentation right now that's been submitted. It's not just Oak Ridge. It's Savannah River site, SRS. It's also Los Alamos. A lot of our sensitive R&D locations appear to be under some sort of surveillance and monitoring program. Why? Well, because a lot of innovation comes out of those areas, a lot of new technologies, a lot of, if you will, disruptive technologies that we use for our national defense originates out of those locations and advanced concepts in physics as well. So if I was doing any type of reconnaissance, even on a foreign adversary, that's a great target to start with.

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▶ ⚠️ Mr. Ogles, jesteś w czasie na tej ważnej kwestionowaniu. Czy uważasz, że obserwacje UAP są szczególnie częste nad stanowiskami energetycznymi?

▶ ⚠️ Tak, panie. Jestem przekonany o tym i mam doświadczenia z tego typu obserwacji.

[7517.24s]
Andy Ogles IV U.S. Representative U.S. House of Representatives

Sure, and again, this has been one of my talking points. I do have questions. What role might the Department of Energy or its subsidiaries or affiliates have in this type of technology or possessing this type of technology, whether it's ours or others? Mr. Guyudet, I think your testimony has been pretty clear, but would you please reiterate that do you believe UAPs pose a threat to pilots?

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▶ ⚠️ Czy w twoim opinii UAP powodują nietypowe działania, a dlaczego są one zainteresowani tych stanowisk?

▶ ⚠️ Zażalamy się. Tak, panie. Bez wątpienia. Niemowlaki groziły pilotom marynarki wojennej podczas eksperymentu, do którego zależały moi ludzie w 2015 roku i jestem przekonany, że narażają na ryzyko bezpieczeństwa pilota, obywatelskiego i militarnego, dzisiaj.

[7544.01s]
Tim Gallaudet, Chief Executive Officer

Excuse me. Yes, sir. Absolutely. They were threatening Navy pilots during the exercise that my people were involved with in 2015, and it's my understanding they're risking pilot safety, commercial and military, today.

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▶ ⚠️ Panie, w niektórych przypadkach to regularne działanie. To możliwe, że istnieją dokumenty dotyczące obserwacji UAP nad stanowiskami energetycznymi.

Ensuring Transparency and Oversight on UAP

The Congressman expressed concern over the lack of transparency regarding unidentified aerial phenomena (UAP), citing potential threats to personnel and national security. He emphasized the importance of oversight and accountability, suggesting that it is "criminal" for any entity to prevent Congress from accessing information about UAP. The subcommittee then adjourned without further business.

PL: Kongresmen wyraził zaniepokojenie brakiem przejrzystości w kwestii niezidentyfikowanych zjawisk powietrznych (UAP), powołując się na potencjalne zagrożenia dla personelu i bezpieczeństwa narodowego. Podkreślił znaczenie nadzoru i odpowiedzialności, sugerując, że jest to „przestępcze”, jeśli jakakolwiek instytucja uniemożliwia Kongresowi dostęp do informacji o UAP. Podkomisja zakończyła następnie obrady bez dalszych punktów.

[7558.89s]
Andy Ogles IV U.S. Representative U.S. House of Representatives

Well, considering, and I understand that there's a need in some cases to keep certain technologies secret, but you believe that it is posing a threat to our personnel, correct?

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▶ ⚠️ Inteligencja nie-biologiczna, ale jakie inteligencje nie-biologiczne, co to oznacza?

▶ ⚠️ W związku z tym, a ja rozumiem, że w niektórych przypadkach istnieje potrzeba utrzymania pewnych technologii w tajemnicy, ale uważasz, że stanowi to zagrożenie dla naszych członków zawodowych, poprawnie?

[7572.07s]
Tim Gallaudet, Chief Executive Officer

Yes, sir.

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[7573.19s]
Andy Ogles IV U.S. Representative U.S. House of Representatives

So I think it's reasonable to conclude that if there is a threat to our personnel who are serving our country faithfully, that there be oversight.

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[7585.87s]
Tim Gallaudet, Chief Executive Officer

100%, Congressman. And, in fact, that's the one thing that we've not talked about enough during this hearing is the fact that the government executive branch not sharing with Congress what it knows about UAP infringes on your legislative and oversight responsibilities to such an extent That's very concerning. I mean, what else are we, if you look at national security or intelligence or foreign affairs or appropriations, you all have oversight and legislative responsibility regarding those. This UAP issue may be the greatest issue of our time, and it's being hit from you.

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▶ ⚠️ Tak, panie.

[7618.20s]
Andy Ogles IV U.S. Representative U.S. House of Representatives

Well, I mean, and to your point, I think we've seen over the decades that we have certain adversaries like China, like Russia, that technologically speaking are not as advanced as us, that they lack some of the lethality that we have, and that we've seen that they've gone after our technologies and in some cases succeeded, in particular with missile technology. And so again, my concern, whether this technology emanates from us or otherworldly, that we know that we possess it. And where's the accountability? Where are the stopgaps? What are the guarantees that if this were to fall in enemy hands, that it isn't immediately weaponized against us? And I'll say this. It is clear from my experience and what I've seen that there is something out there. The question is, is it ours? Is it someone else's? Or is it otherworldly? And Madam Chairman, I would posit that as the legislative body, as the regulatory body, We must know.

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▶ ⚠️ Sztuczna inteligencja, maszyneria uczenia się, maszyny. Założymy, że wszystkie inteligencje będą takimi jak my. I każde raz, gdy spojrzymy na wszechświat, zostajemy pokonani w stosunku do tego, czego nie wiemy w kwestii form inteligencji i co może to oznaczać. Można mi przyznać, że prawdopodobnie nie mogę zadać Ci pytania, ale myślę, że ostateczny odpowiednik zaskoczy nas wszystkich.

▶ ⚠️ Więc myślę, że jest to racjonalne do wniosku, że jeśli istnieje zagrożenie dla naszych członków, którzy służą naszej ojczyźnie fidusierem, powinno być nadzór.

▶ ⚠️ 100%, panie kongresman. I, w rzeczy samej, to jedyny aspekt, o którym nie mówiliśmy dostatecznie podczas tej sesyji, fakt, że rząd, część egzekutywy, nie dzieli się z informacjami zarówno znajomością o UAP, co wpływa na twoje obowiązki legislatywne i nadzorcze tak dokładnie, że to bardzo przeszkodliwe. To oznacza, że gdy patrzysz na bezpieczeństwo narodowe lub inteligencję lub polityki zagraniczne czy rozrachunki, wszyscy masz nadzór i obowiązki legislatywne dotyczące tych spraw. Ta kwestia UAP może być największym problemem naszych czasów i jest traktowana przez was.

[7684.14s]
Andy Ogles IV U.S. Representative U.S. House of Representatives

And anyone who prevents us from gaining access to that information, I would consider that criminality. Because we have U.S. personnel who may very well be in harm's way. We have technology that ultimately may threaten our very existence. With that, Madam Chairman, I thank you for your indulgence and I yield back.

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▶ ⚠️ Dobrze, a zgodnie z twoim punktem, widzieliśmy w latach, że mamy pewne przeciwników jak Chińczycy, jak Rosjanie, którzy technologicznie mówiąc nie są tak zaawansowani jak my, że brakuje im części leczyłości, której posiadamy, i że widzieliśmy, że zajmują się naszymi technologiami i w niektórych przypadkach osiągnęli sukces, szczególnie w przypadku technologii rakietowych. I więc ponownie, moja obawa, czy to technologia pochodzi od nas lub innej planety, że wiemy, że ją posiadamy. Gdzie są kontrolki? Jakie są gwarancje, że jeśli to zostanie upadło w rękach wrogów, nie jest natychmiastowo uzbrojone przeciwko nas? I powiem tego. Jest jasne na podstawie mojej doświadczenia i to, co widziałem, że jest coś tam. Pytanie brzmi: czy to nasze? Czy to ktoś inni? Albo jest inneplanetyjny? I pana prezesa, chciałbym przedstawić, że jako organ legislatywny i regulacyjny, musimy wiedzieć.

[7705.17s]
Nancy Mace, U.S. Representative

Thank you, Mr. Ogles. And with that and without objection, all members will have five legislative days within which to submit materials and to submit additional written questions for the witnesses, which will be forwarded to the witnesses for their response. If there's no further business without objection, the subcommittee stands adjourned.

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[7738.47s]
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Thank you.

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▶ ⚠️ A każdy, kto nam uniemożliwia dostęp do tej informacji, uważałbym to za przestępczość. Bo mamy członków służby amerykańskiej, którzy może bardzo dobrze być w obliczu niebezpieczeństwa. Mamy technologię, która w końcu mogłaby zagrozić naszej istnieniu. Z tego powodu, pana prezesa, dziękuję za twoje przyzwolenie i oddaję się.

[7759.98s]
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Thank you.

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[7785.60s]
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I'm happy for Ella's dad.

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▶ ⚠️ A potem pan Garcia przekazał kilka końcowych uwag.

▶ ⚠️ Posiedzenie zostaje przerwane na pięć dni, aby członkowie mogli dostarczyć dodatkowe materiały i pytania pisemne.

[7816.16s]
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Thank you. Thank you.

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▶ ⚠️ I wiem, że jesteśmy otwarci na głosowanie tutaj, więc będę krótki. Chciałbym wszystkim dziękować za przybycie. Zwracam się szczególnie do Panią Prezes Mace za organizację tego ważnego bipartisanowego posiedzenia. Chciałbym wszystkim członkom komitetu, którzy są zainteresowani tą tematyką. Moim zobowiązaniem dla was i wszelkich osób, które nas skontaktowały, oraz przede wszystkim... ofiarom i pilotami jest to, że musimy nadal badać UFO. Myślę, że państwo ma prawo do wiedzy i zapewnienia bezpieczeństwa narodowego. To rozmowa i pytanie, które trzeba dalej prowadzić. Więc jestem bardzo wdzięczny że jesteście tutaj. I chciałbym tylko dodawać, osobiście, że są dwa aspekty, które prowadzą mnie do pytań i obserwacji na temat UFO: jeden to zawsze powinniśmy być przywołani faktami, nauką i danymi i pozostać szczerymi w te sprawach.

▶ ⚠️ A drugi jest taki, że myślę, że powinniśmy nie ograniczać naszej wyobraźni i myśli i ciekawości na temat tego, co UFO mogą być. I myślę, że te dwie rzeczy są dla mnie naprawdę ważne, a jestem wdzięczny za to, że jesteście tutaj. Więc na tym, czekam na powrotu.

▶ ⚠️ Dobrze, i mamy pana Oglesa, który jest na drodze. Będzie pytać ostatnim członem dziś, a potem będziemy głosować. Chciałbym wszystkim dziękować za bycie tutaj. Chciałabym podziękować panu Garcia i ludziom na obu stronach kamery, że są tu dzisiaj i cierpliwi. Mamy wiele więcej pytań, a mam nadzieję, że to otworzy drzwi do przeprowadzenia kolejnych posiedzeń w przyszłości. Chcę znać, jak dużo pieniędzy podatników wydaje na to. Masz prawo do wiedzy, ale jeśli wydajemy pieniądze na coś, które nie istnieje, czemu wydajemy pieniądze? A jeśli ono istnieje, dlaczego ukrywamy to od publiczności?

▶ ⚠️ Jeśli nie ma więcej biznesu, podkomitet zostaje przerwany.

▶ ⚠️ Dziękuję.

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UAP Congressional Hearing – November 13, 2024
(Przesłuchanie w sprawie niezidentyfikowanych zjawisk anomalnych/UFO)

Hearing Summary
Podsumowanie przesłuchania

Hearing Index

1. Opening and Context
PL: Wprowadzenie i kontekst

2. Secret Military UAP Programs
PL: Tajne wojskowe programy UAP

3. UAP Investigations and Analysis
PL: Badania i analizy UAP

4. UAP Biology and Defense
PL: Biologia UAP i obrona

🎧 Listen to the Hearing
(Posłuchaj przesłuchania)

Congressional Hearing on Unidentified Aerial Phenomena

Discussion of Unidentified Aerial Phenomena

Investigating Unidentified Aerial Phenomena

Navy Commander’s Testimony on UAP Secrecy

Whistleblower Allegations of Secret UAP Programs

Revealing Secret Military UAP Programs

Congressional Testimony on UAP Crash Retrieval Programs

Secrecy, NDAs, and UAP Witness Testimony

Unseen Aerial Phenomena Explored

Unexplained Phenomena and Information Operations

Unidentified Aerial Phenomena Investigations

Unidentified Aerial Phenomena

Overclassification and UFOs

UAP Biological Materials and Secrecy

Unidentified Aerial Phenomena and Defense

Defining Non-Human Intelligence and Assessing UAP Threats

Ensuring Transparency and Oversight on UAP

NOTES:
PL: NOTATKI:

UAP Congressional Hearing – November 13, 2024 (Przesłuchanie w sprawie niezidentyfikowanych zjawisk anomalnych/UFO)

Hearing Summary Podsumowanie przesłuchania

Hearing Index

1. Opening and Context PL: Wprowadzenie i kontekst

2. Secret Military UAP Programs PL: Tajne wojskowe programy UAP

3. UAP Investigations and Analysis PL: Badania i analizy UAP

4. UAP Biology and Defense PL: Biologia UAP i obrona

🎧 Listen to the Hearing (Posłuchaj przesłuchania)

Congressional Hearing on Unidentified Aerial Phenomena

Discussion of Unidentified Aerial Phenomena

Investigating Unidentified Aerial Phenomena

Navy Commander’s Testimony on UAP Secrecy

Whistleblower Allegations of Secret UAP Programs

Revealing Secret Military UAP Programs

Congressional Testimony on UAP Crash Retrieval Programs

Secrecy, NDAs, and UAP Witness Testimony

Unseen Aerial Phenomena Explored

Unexplained Phenomena and Information Operations

Unidentified Aerial Phenomena Investigations

Unidentified Aerial Phenomena

Overclassification and UFOs

UAP Biological Materials and Secrecy

Unidentified Aerial Phenomena and Defense

Defining Non-Human Intelligence and Assessing UAP Threats

Ensuring Transparency and Oversight on UAP

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UAP Congressional Hearing – November 13, 2024
(Przesłuchanie w sprawie niezidentyfikowanych zjawisk anomalnych/UFO)

Hearing Summary
Podsumowanie przesłuchania

1. Opening and Context
PL: Wprowadzenie i kontekst

2. Secret Military UAP Programs
PL: Tajne wojskowe programy UAP

3. UAP Investigations and Analysis
PL: Badania i analizy UAP

4. UAP Biology and Defense
PL: Biologia UAP i obrona

🎧 Listen to the Hearing
(Posłuchaj przesłuchania)

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