Alan Watts Lecture Edition – The Natural Environment
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Alan Watts – The Natural Environment
Overview
The persistent question of what constitutes reality often leads us to an examination of the self—not as a fixed entity defined by name or narrative, but as a fluid process inextricably woven into the fabric of existence. We seek knowledge through increasingly abstract systems, yet frequently dismiss the most immediate and profound source of understanding: direct experience itself. This isn’t merely about subjective feeling; it's recognizing that consciousness is not something *within* us observing the world, but rather the very ground from which both self and world arise—a realization historically valued in mystical traditions, yet often sidelined by the demands of modern intellectual pursuit.
This divergence stems from a peculiar historical trajectory where science and spirituality were once unified, only to be cleaved apart by a need for control and predictability. Contemporary Western thought tends toward reductionism, dissecting reality into ever-smaller components while simultaneously rejecting the holistic insights offered by Eastern philosophies or contemplative practices. The very skepticism leveled against studying consciousness—or religion more broadly—reveals an underlying discomfort with being observed, a desire to avoid judgment in a universe perceived as inherently intelligent. This preference for a mechanistic model, ironically, limits our understanding precisely because it filters out the vital role of conscious participation in shaping what is known; abstract theorizing becomes a substitute for embodied wisdom, leaving us intellectually proficient but existentially adrift.
Ultimately, the path forward lies not in rejecting intellect, but in balancing it with an unwavering commitment to direct experience. The relentless accumulation of knowledge, without periods of focused contemplation and open-minded inquiry, risks isolating us from the very world we seek to understand. Recognizing the illusory nature of a rigidly defined self—and even questioning fundamental assumptions like survival itself—can unlock a deeper intelligence already present within us. This isn’t about embracing irrationality, but acknowledging that true insight emerges not solely through analysis, but through a courageous willingness to dwell in the ambiguity and paradox at the heart of being.
**The speaker shifts from discussing religious experience to a broader critique of dismissing non-verbal or practical knowledge in both historical science and contemporary academia. This contrasts the value of direct engagement with phenomena—whether spiritual or scientific—against an elitist tendency towards abstract theorizing.** The speaker frames a discussion of comparative religion and psychology through the lens of William James’s work on religious experience, particularly “cosmic consciousness” defined as a sense of unity with the universe. This experiential dimension is argued to have increasing pragmatic relevance in the 20th century due to humanity's technological capacity for planetary destruction, necessitating a move beyond perceiving separation from nature. The speaker contrasts this experimental approach to religion with its historical treatment within academia, where it’s often relegated to the status of a “museum piece,” and critiques an attitude that dismisses non-verbal experience as unsuitable for scholarly inquiry. Historically, early Western science was intertwined with mysticism and empirical observation—a practice later discouraged by scholastic reliance on established texts—and this pattern is echoed in contemporary devaluation of practical or hands-on learning. The speaker suggests a parallel between the dismissal of experiential knowledge today and historical resistance to scientific experimentation itself, framing both as stemming from an elitist aversion to “getting one’s hands dirty.”
[7.51 s | 00:07]
Alan Watts
I was introducing the general subject of this weekend's discussion this morning by trying to describe my own approach to the study of comparative religion and the psychology of religion saying that I was really in the following of William James who tried two things to give a description of the psychological dynamics of religious experience as brought about by what you might really call the various disciplines and concentrating rather heavily on the type of experience which his contemporary R.M. Buck called cosmic consciousness the state in which the individual has a transformation of his awareness of his own identity and experiences himself, instead of being a skin-encapsulated ego, as a being continuous with the entire universe, the cosmos or its energy. And I went on to say that he made the point that you can't really verify this sort of experience but you could only test it by its consequences for human behavior. But I wanted to go a step further than that and say that the pragmatic aspect of this sort of experience is not merely moral and social.
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William James
William James (1842-1910) was an American philosopher and psychologist, considered a founding figure of pragmatism and functional psychology; his work The Varieties of Religious Experience (1902) is highly influential in the study of religion. [Quelle: britannica.com: Study of religion - Basic aims and methods | Britannica | wikipedia.org: William James - Wikipedia]
[111.05 s | 01:51]
Alan Watts
It is also universal in the sense that the question of man's relationship to his physical environment is one that is now crucial in the middle of the 20th century because our technology gives us the capacity to destroy the planet. And not necessarily by atomic fission, but by improper ways of attempting to control the natural environment, both animal, vegetable, and mineral. So that more than ever, it seems to me of a practical import to go beyond the hallucination that we are separate from the total natural environment. And so this brings up the whole problem of the study of religion as not a merely historical matter, not simply a study of museum pieces, but it brings up the study of religion as an experimental inquiry. You know, it's a funny thing. academic world as we've known it for some time. All effete subjects are taught by the historical method. For example, when you learn mathematics, your initial courses are not on the history of mathematics. When you go to medical school, the only courses on the history of medicine are electives for graduate students, pretty much, or seniors.
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Cosmic Consciousness
Coined by R.M. Buck in 1901, “cosmic consciousness” refers to an altered state of awareness where individuals perceive a sense of unity with the universe and transcend their individual ego.
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Professor (speaker)
The speaker is presenting their approach to studying comparative religion and psychology of religion, positioning themselves within an intellectual lineage stemming from William James.
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Pragmatism
Pragmatism, a philosophical tradition championed by William James, emphasizes practical consequences as the ultimate measure of truth; in this context, it suggests evaluating religious experiences based on their effects on human behavior rather than seeking definitive proof.
[210.88 s | 03:30]
Alan Watts
But you will always notice that beginning religion is apt to be history of religions, beginning philosophy is apt to be history of philosophy, which advertises right away that these are museum pieces. You can also tell a great deal from the size of the department and its position in the general geography of the campus. We have got a campus set up nowadays where the central building is the administration building, because that's the most important thing going on. uh in a funny old place like oxford you can't even find the administration so but now here it comes up a very considerable question there is a professor at harvard in the department of social relations who shall be nameless about a little while ago when there was a disturbance there because people were altering their consciousness and studying its effects He made the pronouncement that nothing which is incapable of being put into words, or rather no non-verbal area, is a proper subject for the academy, for the university. And I began wondering about the Harvard football team. But surely this is a very strange attitude. But it's not a new one at all. We've been through all this before.
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Cold War Context
The speaker’s reference to “the middle of the 20th century” and the capacity to "destroy the planet" reflects anxieties surrounding the development of nuclear weapons and the potential for global conflict during the Cold War era.
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Historical Method in Academia
The speaker critiques the tendency within universities to treat religion and philosophy primarily as historical subjects, contrasting it with fields like mathematics and medicine where practical application is prioritized from the outset.
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Harvard University
Harvard University serves as a specific example of an academic institution where the speaker observes a hierarchical structure prioritizing administration and a skepticism towards non-verbal experiences in scholarship.
[304.59 s | 05:04]
Alan Watts
And long ago, most scientific people were on the other end of the argument. Because in the 16th and 17th centuries, when Western science really began to get underway, what is not generally realized is that natural science and mysticism, whether it was the sort of mysticism of which I suppose you would call theosophy, and the original meaning of that word, I don't mean the Theosophical Society, but the theosophy of a man like Paracelsus, or of Nicholas of Cusa, or of Van Helmut. This was something which went hand in hand with a curiosity about natural science and an experimental attitude to the study of nature. as you I don't need to tell you the theologians who refused to look through Galileo's telescope wouldn't look through it because they already knew what the state of affairs was because it was revealed in the Bible and in the writings of Aristotle so you got a scholasticism where people were depending entirely for knowledge on the written system on the verbal system and they would not put this verbal system to the test of experiment but the young scientists of the West wanted to read the book of nature.
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Critique of Academic Boundaries
The speaker challenges the notion that only phenomena expressible in words are legitimate subjects for academic study, using the example of altered consciousness and even athletic performance to illustrate this point.
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Early Modern Science & Mysticism
In the 16th and 17th centuries – a period marking the rise of modern Western science – natural science was often intertwined with mystical traditions like theosophy, practiced by figures such as Paracelsus and Nicholas of Cusa; this contrasts with later perceptions of science as purely empirical.
[393.67 s | 06:33]
Alan Watts
Francis Bacon very strongly criticized scholastics for having a system of great elaborateness. He said it's like a spider weaving out of itself webs of great subtlety and precision but of no substance or profit. And he thought this was conceited and that one should instead refer to the experience of the physical world but the trouble with that was from a scholastic point of view that it involved getting your hands dirty because scientific experiment required manual operations and this is beneath the dignity of a Brahmin you have to be a Shudra to get into manual operations or a Kshatriya who fights But we have a tendency now for the same thing to be true. Look at the curious thing. We all make jokes about two-bit colleges that give courses in basket weaving. And in both high school and college, what you might call practical courses, are looked upon, unless they're in medicine or physics or chemistry or something like that, they're looked upon as something for dropouts. If you're in high school and it looks as if you're not going to be very good at computation or verbalization, they suggest, well, maybe you should prepare for a trade.
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Theosophy
Originally meaning “divine wisdom,” theosophy in this context refers to a spiritual or philosophical system emphasizing direct experience of divine realities, distinct from the formalized Theosophical Society founded in the 19th century.
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Paracelsus & Nicholas of Cusa
These were influential Renaissance figures who blended scientific observation with alchemy, astrology, and religious thought; they represent a period where boundaries between disciplines were less rigid than today.
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Aristotle & The Bible
During the 16th and 17th centuries, Aristotelian philosophy and biblical scripture held immense authority as sources of knowledge, leading some theologians to reject empirical evidence like Galileo’s telescopic observations if they contradicted established doctrine.
Critique of Modern Education and Mystical Alternatives
08:07
**The speaker shifts from a general discussion to a critique of contemporary education's focus on abstraction and its consequences for individual fulfillment. This is contrasted with the practical, embodied nature of mystical traditions as a path towards a more meaningful life.** Contemporary education, excessively focused on literacy and professional training, produces individuals suited for bureaucratic roles rather than a fulfilling life grounded in practical skills and sensory experience. This system fosters abstraction over substance—producing superficial products with planned obsolescence and prioritizing appearance over genuine quality—resulting in a paradoxical state of material dissatisfaction despite economic wealth. The consequence is a homogenization of place through rapid travel, diminishing the value of authentic cultural experiences and necessitating reliance on external sources for meaningful goods. Conversely, mystical traditions, often misconstrued as anti-worldly, are deeply rooted in empirical experience and emphasize engagement with the physical realm, exemplified by the bodhisattva ideal of returning to work within the world after enlightenment. Ultimately, a balanced approach integrating intellectual pursuits with practical knowledge and sensory awareness is essential for cultivating a truly rich existence, aligning with ancient wisdom prioritizing both mental clarity and material well-being.
[487.66 s | 08:07]
Alan Watts
And alas, rather regrettably, you'd better go into the workshop. Now that's a very curious thing. Because what we're doing by having a form and style of education that is exclusively literate. We are training our children to be bureaucrats, bankers, and maybe a few professional people, or even teachers. Well, the system just turns in on itself. You're training teachers to teach teachers to teach teachers. And as a result of this, our civilization is very seriously impoverished in certain quite fundamental things. To name a few. By and large, our cooking is abominable. Our clothes leave a great deal to be desired. Men's clothes are absurdly uncomfortable, and we all go around looking like funeral directors. And housing isn't too hot. Nobody really gets particularly educated in the art of lovemaking. And... But all these are very fundamental to the good life. We have a reputation in the Orient and here of being the most materialistic civilization on the face of the earth. It's completely undeserved because a materialist is a person who loves material. And we don't. We're ashamed of it. We want to conquer it, abolish it. We talk about abolishing the limitations of time and space.
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Scholastics
These were medieval scholars who relied heavily on logic, dialectic, and the writings of classical authorities (like Aristotle) for understanding the world; their approach was criticized by early scientists for lacking experimental verification.
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Francis Bacon
A prominent English philosopher and scientist, Bacon advocated for an empirical method based on observation and experimentation as opposed to scholastic reasoning, famously comparing scholastic systems to “webs” with no practical value.
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Caste System Analogy
The speaker uses the Hindu caste system (Brahmin, Kshatriya, Shudra) to illustrate a historical disdain for manual labor among intellectuals; Brahmins were priests and scholars, Kshatriyas warriors, and Shudras laborers – suggesting scientific experiment was considered “beneath” the dignity of educated individuals.
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Critique of Modern Education
The speaker expresses concern that modern education prioritizes literacy and abstract knowledge over practical skills and engagement with the physical world, leading to a society deficient in fundamental arts like cooking, clothing design, and housing.
[589.50 s | 09:49]
Alan Watts
And as a result of this process, though I will say jet aircraft is one of the few very excellent things that we produce. It's beautiful engineering. And we produce some gorgeous scientific instruments and electronic contraptions. But when we get to more basic things, what happens, you see, is just like this. When you can go almost immediately and instantaneously from one part of the Earth to the other, the two places become the same place. So when you wake up in Tokyo nowadays, you are not quite sure where you are. You're in a strange mixture of Los Angeles, Shanghai, and Paris. And therefore, tourists thinking about going, say, to Hawaii or Japan, they invariably ask their friends who've been there, is it spoiled yet? Now, what does that mean? It means, is it just like where we start out from? And if it is, there's no point making the trip. Because once you obliterate the material dimension, the distance between two places, as I say, they become the same place. If I offer you a banana, you will be very unsatisfied. If I offer you just the two ends of the banana, what you want is the substance between.
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Materialism & Shame
The speaker challenges the common perception of Western civilization as materialistic, arguing that it is instead characterized by an ambivalence towards material things – a desire to transcend or abolish them rather than genuinely appreciate them.
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Post-War Consumerism
The speaker critiques the quality of post-war American products, contrasting them with a perceived authenticity in goods from other cultures ("peasants"). This reflects anxieties about mass production, planned obsolescence, and the homogenization of global culture following World War II.
[665.11 s | 11:05]
Alan Watts
In the same way, when you consider a great many of our products, automobiles that are essentially toy rocket ships with built-in obsolescence, um when you consider fabrics that we use which fall apart in a hurry uh what are we really doing we say we're practical but we're not we're abstractionists almost like the scholastics because we are making surfaces with not much underneath them this is a great way of making money because it's really cheating when you go into the grocery business and you manage to make all kinds of imitation food and then inject chemicals and sell people styrofoam instead of bread, yes, you may make lots of money. You can also cheat on the packaging by reducing the quantity and making the exterior look very attractive with colour photography. But the difficulty is that when you've made all this money, you have nothing to buy with it except other people's inferior products. You have to go outside the country, back to peasants and people like that, who took joy in their work and had a material relationship to it.
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Scholastics
"Scholastics" refers to medieval philosophers and theologians known for their emphasis on logical reasoning and detailed analysis, often divorced from practical experience. The speaker uses it pejoratively to suggest that modern American production prioritizes superficial appearance over substance.
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“Belly” vs. “Head”
The contrast between "head" and "belly" represents a dichotomy between intellectual abstraction and embodied experience. This is a common metaphor for holistic understanding, where true knowledge incorporates both thought and physical sensation.
[743.18 s | 12:23]
Alan Watts
This is a serious puzzle, and it all goes hand in hand with an attitude to education that is too abstract, too scholastic, too much in the head and too little in the belly. Lao Tzu says in his book, The energies of the Emperor should be directed to keeping the minds of the people unpreoccupied and their bellies well filled. Which seems an extraordinary attitude for a mystic. You would think he would be all up in the mind. But the contrary is the case. Great mystics are very well related to the physical world. We think of Saint Teresa, of Avila, of the Zen masters, of great Chinese mystics who were also artists, and Hindu mystics who had the most fantastic methods of physical culture. And you realize that the attitude of mysticism is not at all, when you really come down to it, anti-worldly, or as Ng calls it, acosmistic. This is a superstition. Just because they use negative language and may refer on occasion to the world as a maya or illusion, we forget that the word maya, for example, also means art, magic and skill. And it isn't necessarily the point of Hindu spiritual endeavour at all to get rid of one's experience of the world.
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Lao Tzu
Lao Tzu (also spelled Laozi) was a central figure in Taoism, an ancient Chinese philosophy emphasizing living in harmony with the natural order ("Tao"). His work, Tao Te Ching, is referenced here to support the idea that good governance prioritizes material well-being.
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Maya
In Hinduism and Buddhism, "maya" generally translates as illusion. However, the speaker clarifies that it also carries meanings of art, magic, and skill, challenging a simplistic understanding of the concept as purely negative or world-denying.
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Bodhisattva Path in Mahayana Buddhism
The speaker explains a key tenet of Mahayana Buddhism: rather than seeking individual enlightenment and withdrawal from the world (nirvana), enlightened beings ("bodhisattvas") choose to remain engaged in worldly affairs to help others achieve liberation, fostering artistic creativity.
[843.34 s | 14:03]
Alan Watts
It may be in some particular emphases of it, some particular schools, but you can't make that a generalisation by any means. Furthermore, you will remember that in the most influential form of Buddhism, which is called the Mahayana, that the whole point is that when you've attained enlightenment, instead of going off and disappearing forever into some undiscoverable nirvana, the whole point is that you, as a bodhisattva, come back to work in the world. That is why Mahayana has been so creative on the artistic level. So there is a very strong bond, you see, between the mystical approach and the empirical approach, since both are interested in experience. And insofar as one realizes the fundamental unity of the cosmos, there is a tendency to do away with the dualism of the spiritual and the physical. I'll never forget when D.T. Suzuki was at the World Congress of Faiths in London in 1936. We had a kind of final roundup lecture in Queens Hall And the subject was that several representatives of various traditions were going to talk on the supreme spiritual ideal. Well, one person got up and another person got up and delivered themselves of incredible quantities of hot air.
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Acosmistic
"Acosmistic" describes a belief that the universe is fundamentally without order or meaning. The speaker argues this isn’t inherent to mysticism, countering a common misconception about spiritual traditions rejecting the physical world.
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D.T. Suzuki
Daisetz Teitaro Suzuki was a prominent Japanese Buddhist scholar who played a key role in introducing Zen Buddhism to the West. His presence at the World Congress of Faiths lends authority to the speaker’s discussion of mystical experience.
Historical Roots of Science and Religion's Conflict
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**The speaker shifts from describing non-verbal spiritual articulation to analyzing the historical relationship between science and religion in Western thought. This contrasts with prior discussion by framing contemporary academic biases against studying religion as stemming from a specific historical trajectory, beginning with early scientists’ dual engagement with both empirical observation and religious inquiry.** The speaker begins with an anecdote illustrating a non-verbal approach to articulating spiritual ideals—an attitude prioritized over explicit definition—and raises the fundamental problem of how immaterial consciousness influences material reality. He then traces this tension back to the origins of Western science, noting early scientists’ simultaneous engagement with both empirical observation and religious experimentation, exemplified by Nicholas Cusanus’s “Learned Ignorance.” This historical context frames a critique of contemporary academic resistance to experimentally studying religion, particularly concerning explorations of altered consciousness which are often dismissed as frivolous despite the maturity demonstrated in other contexts. The speaker further contends that current theological trends—specifically, the “death of God” theology—represent a delayed reaction against an outdated conception of divinity and risk reducing life to a purely materialistic existence, prompting a call for critical self-reflection regarding the motivations behind such dogmatic pronouncements. Ultimately, he suggests that scientism’s initial rejection of God targeted not belief itself, but rather the discomfort of being judged by a traditional, anthropomorphic deity.
[927.24 s | 15:27]
Alan Watts
Finally, little old Suzuki got to his feet and said, I am asked to talk about supreme spiritual ideal. Now I am countryman from very far off place. I do not know what supreme spiritual ideal is. I look it up in the dictionary. but I do not understand this at all. Then he went on to give a description of his house and garden in Japan. And just everybody gave him a standing ovation. It wasn't exactly what he said, it was his attitude. And of course he did say in the course of his observations that what we needed more than anything else was an attitude to life in which the spiritual and the material were inseparable, because otherwise what influence on the material could the spiritual have? It's the old problem, you know, of if you are made of two parts, one spiritual and the other physical, how does the spiritual part move the physical part since all good ghosts walk straight through brick walls and don't disturb the bricks?
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Tao Te Ching
The Tao Te Ching is a foundational text of Taoism, attributed to Lao Tzu. It's used here as an example of ancient wisdom that prioritizes practical needs alongside spiritual understanding
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Suzuki
D.T. Suzuki was an influential Japanese Buddhist scholar who helped popularize Zen Buddhism in the West during the 20th century; he is likely a featured speaker at the event being discussed.
[1000.77 s | 16:40]
Alan Watts
In this way then, when you look back to the origins of Western science, you find that concern for what is to be found by the observation, by getting involved in the physical universe, was of interest to the same people who were interested in an experimental approach to religion. One thinks particularly of that cardinal, Nicholas Cusanus, who was interested in all sorts of scientific investigation, and at the same time wrote the Docta Ignorantia, the book called Learned Ignorance. He used it in the sense of unknowing, like the cloud of unknowing, and he was primarily concerned with the whole problem of the relationship of opposites or polarities. He was one of the great thinkers on that subject. Therefore, it seems to be that a serious study of the psychology of religions and of their symbolisms must involve both a literary approach and an experimental approach. It is precisely for lack, you see, of an experimental approach that a great deal of religion and also philosophy and traditional metaphysics has become of so little interest to young people in particular. They want to go further.
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The "supreme spiritual ideal"
This phrase reflects a common theme in mid-20th century discussions of Eastern philosophy and religion, often framed as an alternative to Western materialism and rationalism.
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Attitude over content
The speaker highlights that Suzuki’s impact stemmed not from what he said about the “supreme spiritual ideal,” but from his humble and honest approach—his "attitude." This suggests a critique of overly intellectual or dogmatic approaches to spirituality.
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Nicholas Cusanus
Nicholas of Cusa (1401-1464) was a German philosopher, theologian, jurist, and astronomer; he is considered a precursor to the scientific revolution due to his emphasis on observation and questioning established knowledge.
[1107.27 s | 18:27]
Alan Watts
And this is why young people are to such a great extent interested in expanding or altering their consciousness. it isn't a question of looking for kicks you know we don't take young people very seriously and when they do something like that we always say oh boys will be boys they're looking for kicks and yet let's say people of the same age can be sent off on the highly responsible job of fighting in vietnam you just can't have it both ways if they are responsible enough mature enough to go and fight our battles we should allow them some say in the deep and important matters of life. So it is a very puzzling question, though, as to how one might engage in the study of religion experimentally with a scientific attitude and do it within the framework of the academic community as we know it. Because, you see, the moment you start experimenting with it, you're suspect of being goofy. It's all very well for Professor X to be a Sanskritist and to know all about Vedic literature and the commentaries on the Gita and have all this at his fingertips.
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Docta Ignorantia
Docta Ignorantia ("Learned Ignorance") is Nicholas of Cusanus’s most famous work, arguing that true wisdom begins with recognizing the limits of human understanding; it's a key text in Renaissance thought and influenced later mystical traditions.
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Metaphysics
Metaphysics is a branch of philosophy concerned with fundamental questions about reality, existence, time, space, and causality; the speaker suggests traditional metaphysics has become stagnant due to its lack of empirical investigation.
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Vietnam War
The reference to fighting in Vietnam (1955-1975) places this discussion firmly within the context of the 1960s or early 1970s, a period marked by widespread anti-war sentiment and generational conflict.
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Generational attitudes toward experimentation
The speaker challenges the double standard applied to young people exploring consciousness versus those sent to war, arguing that if they are deemed responsible enough for combat, they should be taken seriously in their spiritual explorations.
[1186.41 s | 19:46]
Alan Watts
But the moment it's known that he's practicing yoga and that he's got some scientific apparatus to measure the EEG effects of his breathing and of his states of concentration, so the man's off his rocker because he's getting into this non-verbal exploration. But this is, once again though, a renaissance of scholasticism that would make this sort of criticism. People tend to think that the attitude of science makes it perfectly clear that there is nothing more to life than a pilgrimage from the maternity ward to the crematorium. That's what there is. And in this new theology of the death of God, this attitude is exploding into theological circles many, many years behind the times, one might say, and suggesting that we've really got to face up to it after all, that religion is wishful thinking, there isn't anybody up there who cares, and that life is just what we see it to be. It is banal. It is just this so-called... practical world and that we've got to deal with that. So how one manages with this sort of theology to go on being a Christian is an extreme puzzle to me.
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Academic suspicion of religious experimentation
The speaker notes a perceived bias within academia against directly experimenting with religion, implying that such work is seen as unserious or “goofy” compared to traditional scholarly methods like textual analysis (e.g., being a "Sanskritist").
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The Speaker’s Central Argument
The speaker is discussing a theological shift occurring in the 20th century—often called “the death of God” theology—where traditional conceptions of God are rejected in favor of a purely materialistic worldview, influenced by scientific advancements. This rejection isn't necessarily atheism, but rather a dismantling of a personal, judgmental deity.
[1275.52 s | 21:15]
Alan Watts
It's like the joke that somebody made, this theology is saying that there is no God and Jesus Christ is his only son. In other words, the central meaning of Jesus's life was a hallucination. But, you know, always be suspicious of dogmatics of any kind and ask the question, when a person propounds an idea of that sort, what is he trying to tell us about himself? What role is he playing? What kind of an act is this? Well, you realise that when scientism, which I think we must call it, was really fashionable in the end of the 19th century and early in this century and this what I've called fully automatic model of the universe was in vogue there are some extremely interesting things about its attitude remember what it revolted against the conception of God who was of course dead long ago which was the old gentleman with the white beard on a golden throne it was that God that was dead It was a very uncomfortable God, in this sense, that people were delighted for an excuse to get rid of the thought that they were being watched all the time by a just judge, however loving.
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Scholasticism
Scholasticism refers to a method of critical thought dominant in medieval universities, emphasizing systematic investigation and reason. The speaker uses “renaissance of scholasticism” ironically, suggesting that modern theological critiques are similarly focused on detailed analysis but with drastically different premises than their medieval counterparts.
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Scientism
Scientism is the belief that the methods of natural science should be used in all areas of inquiry, including philosophy, morality, and religion. The speaker frames it as a fashionable trend from the late 19th and early 20th centuries, characterized by a “fully automatic model of the universe” devoid of spiritual or intentional forces.
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EEG Effects
EEG stands for electroencephalography, a technique used to measure electrical activity in the brain. The speaker mentions it as an example of scientific apparatus being applied to traditionally non-scientific practices like yoga, highlighting the attempt to quantify subjective experiences.
**The speaker argues that the preference for a mechanistic universe isn't based on objective evidence but stems from a discomfort with being observed by an intelligence. This represents a shift from discussing observation as a neutral act to analyzing its psychological and motivational underpinnings within scientific inquiry.** The discomfort with being observed—experienced even in childhood learning—drives a preference for a mechanistic universe devoid of judging intelligence, despite its inherent unsatisfactoriness as a conceptual framework. This rejection of a “presiding intelligence” resulted in reductionist approaches to understanding the cosmos, characterized by terms like “blind energy” and “libido,” which are framed not as objective descriptions but as assertions of human dominance over nature. However, this pursuit of a banal, fully explicable reality reveals a desire *to* prove a point rather than an impartial inquiry; the capacity for conscious observation is itself presented as fundamental to existence, transforming otherwise meaningless quanta into a perceived universe. True scientific openness, conversely, requires relinquishing preconceived notions about simplicity and avoiding censorship of challenging ideas, recognizing that progress depends on accommodating unconventional perspectives—even those deemed “crazy”—within established institutions. Ultimately, maintaining intellectual flexibility and tolerating criticism are essential for both individual sanity and the robustness of any community of thought.
[1366.42 s | 22:46]
Alan Watts
You know, when you're in school, and you were a child, and you were writing, and the teacher walked around the class and watched over your shoulder what you were doing, even if you liked the teacher very much, that always put you off. So the sense that there's always somebody watching who knows not only what you do but what you think and feel and therefore you are subject to judgment at every moment is very uncomfortable. So people were most happy for an excuse to have an unintelligent universe rather than one presided over by this all prying intelligence. The difficulty was however that they sort of threw out the baby with the bathwater, because when they got rid of this god, they were confronted instead with a stupid universe. And so this is reflected in the language of 19th century thinkers, when they talked about the energy of the cosmos being blind energy, when Freud described psychic energy as libido, which means blind and unconscious lust, It's what we call reductionism. But what lies behind reductionism? Well, you know, people who like to take that attitude, like to fancy themselves as being tough and realistic.
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Metaphorical Language
The phrase “pilgrimage from the maternity ward to the crematorium” is a stark metaphor for a purely biological view of life—birth followed by death with no inherent spiritual meaning. It represents the bleak outlook the speaker attributes to this new theology.
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Reductionism
Reductionism, in this context, is the practice of explaining complex phenomena (like human consciousness or religious belief) in terms of simpler components (like brain activity or libido). The speaker suggests it’s a way for thinkers to appear “tough and realistic” by simplifying profound questions.
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Sigmund Freud
Sigmund Freud was an Austrian neurologist and the founder of psychoanalysis. He is referenced here as an example of a 19th-century thinker who employed reductionist language, describing psychic energy as "libido"—a blind and unconscious lust—rather than attributing it to spiritual or intentional sources.
[1451.88 s | 24:11]
Alan Watts
Someone up there who cares may be all right for little old ladies, you know, who are feeble-minded and can't face facts. But for a real man, let's look at this thing, let's look it in the face. now you see that is a very different attitude from being open-minded some people i remember an entomologist remarking when von fritsch discovered that bees had a language he said i have the most passionate reluctance to accept this evidence please talk why you see nature was starting to get intelligent again and that simply mustn't be allowed because intelligence was something to be found only inside the human skull, and then only as a result of a fluke. And if this fluke was to be perpetuated, and man's intelligence and human reason and values were to triumph, then naturally we had to fight nature tooth and claw. And we began this assault on it in the name of scientific naturalism. It's very paradoxical. So,
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The “Old Gentleman with a White Beard”
This is a common metaphorical representation of the traditional Judeo-Christian God – an all-knowing, judging figure who actively intervenes
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Historical Scientific Paradigm
The speaker contrasts an older worldview—where humans were central and intelligence was uniquely human—with the implications of discoveries like bees having a “language,” which challenged this anthropocentric view. This shift involved a re-evaluation of humanity’s place in the universe, often framed negatively as diminishing our importance.
[1525.16 s | 25:25]
Alan Watts
you can see that in this attitude to the world in this kind of scientism which still prevails with many people as their basic common sense there is something not altogether impartial there is a desire to make a point there is a desire to prove that there are no mysteries get rid of mysteries they bug me that what's out there is just simply banal it is mechanical and you can develop science only you have to go a little further and you'll understand the things through and through and there won't be any more mysteries and it'll all be perfectly boring that's not an impartial attitude at all when we found for example and it really penetrated people's minds that man's world was not the centre of the cosmos why did they talk about it? they said oh we're just a little germ of life on a small rock that revolves around an unimportant star on the outer fringes of one of the minor galaxies. What do we matter? What a put-down that was, you see.
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Scientism
The speaker uses "scientism" to describe a belief system where science is not just a method for understanding the world but also a comprehensive worldview that seeks to explain everything mechanically and dismisses mystery or spiritual dimensions. He critiques this approach as being biased towards finding simple, banal explanations.
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Karl von Frisch
Karl von Frisch was an Austrian ethologist who won the Nobel Prize in 1973 for his research on bee communication. His discovery that bees communicate through a complex “waggle dance” to indicate the location of food sources revolutionized our understanding of animal behavior and challenged assumptions about intelligence being unique to humans.
[1588.39 s | 26:28]
Alan Watts
I didn't stop to think that the remarkable thing about this little germ was that not only could it look at the entire cosmos and think about it, but that by virtue of its nervous system, it was evoking this cosmos out of something which would otherwise be quanta, which have about the same order of reality, as the sound of a hand playing on a skinless drum. Ever heard that thing about the sound of one hand? Question in Zen. And because we realize more and more that it is the complexity of the human organism, and especially its neurological aspects, which is in fact evoking the universe. You can play all you like with your fingers, you see, and make complex tunes, but if there's no piano, no music. So the sun can emit energy all it likes, but if there are no eyeballs anywhere, it's never light. Because existence is relationship. So, an open attitude, which is, I think, in the true spirit of science,
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Zen Koan: "The Sound of One Hand"
The speaker references the Zen koan, or paradoxical riddle, “What is the sound of one hand clapping?” This illustrates a point about perception and reality – that existence depends on relationship; sound requires two hands, light requires an eye to perceive it. It’s used to argue that consciousness isn't passive but actively creates our experience of the universe.
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Immanuel Velikovsky
Immanuel Velikovsky was a non-traditional scholar whose books proposed controversial theories about Earth’s history and catastrophic events in ancient times, challenging established geological and astronomical timelines. He faced significant opposition from the scientific community, as described by the speaker, who notes attempts to suppress his work through pressure on his publisher.
[1666.39 s | 27:46]
Alan Watts
does not have an axe to grind that namely things shall turn out to be banal things shall turn out to be stupid and boring and for heaven preserve us from anything that isn't that way because it would worry us and yet not so long ago when some rather startling even if unproved theories were advanced by Velikovsky pressure was put on his publisher by some very highly placed people in the academic world not to publish that kind of book or they could no longer be regarded as a publisher of serious scientific literature. It was an attempt to censor him because his opinions ran contrary to the accepted fashions in thinking. So, so far as in any institution where these subjects are being discussed, let's remember one thing. Every academic requires the presence of a small minority of oddballs. If not, it's sterile. See, we never really know who is crazy and who is a genius. Time tells. But at the time, it's very difficult to decide. And if we've got interesting crazy people who are not destructive and messy and so on, there's a fairly good risk on gambling on them because they keep things stirred up.
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Metaphorical Language
The speaker frequently uses metaphorical language like “tooth and claw” to describe humanity’s relationship with nature and "axes to grind" to characterize biases in scientific inquiry. These figures of speech emphasize the active, often combative, role humans take in interpreting and controlling the natural world.
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Academic Peer Review & Censorship
The speaker describes a form of academic censorship where pressure was applied to a publisher to suppress a book due to its controversial content. This highlights the power dynamics within academia and how established paradigms can be defended against challenges, even if it means limiting freedom of expression.
[1764.16 s | 29:24]
Alan Watts
Crazy people are in a way like innocent children who see that the emperor has no clothes on and aren't afraid of saying so right out. The kind of crazy people will question the most fundamental assumptions that we make. So, heaven forbid that the entire faculty should consist of that sort of people. But there must be one or two of them just to get things going. It's like this too, you see. Everybody needs to spend a certain amount of time out of every 24 hours, or at least out of every seven days, out of his mind. If you are sane all the time, you're unreliable. You're like a bridge that has no give in it. It doesn't sway at all in the wind. It's a rigid bridge. It stands like that, fixed always. And that's a very brittle bridge. In exactly the same way, a political community that does not tolerate criticism is very insecure. I was, remember, on Hyde Park Corner in London.
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Entomologist
An entomologist is a scientist who studies insects. The
Investigating Sensitive Areas: Religion and Empirical Study
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**The speaker shifts from observing societal self-censorship to proposing empirical research into sensitive areas like religious consciousness. This represents a move from diagnosing a problem of intellectual freedom to advocating for a specific methodology—evidence-based inquiry—to address it, contrasting risk-taking with current protective measures.** Contemporary society exhibits increasing self-censorship, particularly within institutions like corporations and universities, contrasting with a historical openness to challenging even fundamental tenets of authority; this constriction necessitates a measured tolerance for dissenting viewpoints as a safeguard against intellectual stagnation. The speaker advocates for empirical investigation into areas considered sensitive—specifically religious consciousness—through diverse methods including fieldwork in Eastern communities and neurological study, emphasizing the importance of evidence-based inquiry over reactionary assertions lacking substantiation. Such research requires embracing risk, mirroring past scientific advancements achieved through self-experimentation despite potential dangers, a willingness currently hampered by excessive protective measures and societal “panic.” The speaker illustrates this point with the example of the Spanish Inquisition, demonstrating how deeply held beliefs—even demonstrably false ones—can justify extreme actions when perceived as existential threats. Ultimately, investigating fundamental suppositions is crucial because these underpin all common sense and guide human action, making religion itself a potentially dangerous domain due to its formative power.
[1830.71 s | 30:30]
Alan Watts
get up on a soapbox and you could criticize god the father the son the holy ghost his majesty the king the prime minister say anything you like the police would stand by and rub their chins and laugh but nowadays in our rather insecure political climate you have to be increasingly careful what you say especially in corporations and universities where you might lose your job for being controversial of all things so if one cannot stand this sort of, I'd call it lunatic element or subversive element or whatever it is, it's like putting spice in a stew. You don't want the whole stew full of spice, but you want just a little bit. It keeps things alive. And so these things have to be tolerated, because otherwise one is suspicious that if you can't tolerate them, you're on the defensive about your own principles. And if you're on the defensive about your own principles, you probably don't believe in them. We get fanatical about things that don't stand clear examination and positions for which we have no evidence.
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Academic Freedom & Dissent
The speaker frames intellectual nonconformity—even “craziness”—as vital for challenging established norms and fostering a dynamic learning environment, particularly within universities and political communities. This reflects broader mid-20th century debates about academic freedom and the role of dissent in a healthy society.
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Soapbox
A "soapbox" refers to a place where people would stand to deliver impromptu speeches on any topic, often political, in public spaces like Hyde Park Corner in London. It symbolizes free speech and open debate, particularly for those without access to mainstream platforms.
[1902.76 s | 31:42]
Alan Watts
And I notice again and again that in arguments in the newspaper, letters to the editor and things like that, people who take some types of what you might call reactionary stand will never bring up any evidence. They'll use all sorts of cuss words and loaded terms, but no evidence. So, I think it's important, therefore, for an institution of this kind to observe its proper percentage of oddballs, and for this reason to feel free to make experimental investigations into the study of the religious consciousness. Now, such investigations can be of many kinds, ranging from sending, giving grants available for people to go to Japan and India and Burma and so on, such places, to enter into religious communities and work along with the monks or members of an ashram and actually partake in the disciplines of what they're doing. That's very important. It's also important, however, to bring other points of view to bear on those sort of disciplines and to provide facilities for neurological and psychiatric study of these disciplines. It's also important to investigate the connection of these things with things that we know something about already, such as hypnosis.
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Hyde Park Corner
Hyde Park Corner in London was historically known as a site for public speaking and protest, with “Speakers’ Corner” being a designated area where individuals could freely express their opinions on any subject. The speaker uses it as an example of a time when criticism of authority was openly tolerated.
[2022.15 s | 33:42]
Alan Watts
Is Zen meditation self-hypnosis? Well, for heaven's sakes, try and see. Try and see with experiments in hypnosis whether you can get the same results as monks sitting in a monastery. What happens, what really goes on to people when they control their breath in certain ways? Is their altered consciousness the result of hyperoxygenation? What is loneliness, the hermit, the cell, what has that got to do with sensory deprivation? Get working with the psychology department or whoever else has sensory deprivation equipment and see what happens to you. Oh, what about chemistry, brain chemistry? There's an awful lot to be done in that field. But it's typical that it's practically impossible to carry on that kind of research, except in a very limited way because there's a panic about it. All scientists in the past were willing to take risks. Lots of them experimented on themselves in ways that would now be considered very dangerous, as we can think of the history of X-rays. But nevertheless, if they hadn't taken those risks on behalf of the rest of us, we would never have found these things out.
[2098.78 s | 34:58]
Alan Watts
we have a kind of panic for not taking risks I know of a high school where in the auditorium there's a great banner over the proscenium arch which says safety first in all things our children are overprotected you see children in Japan or Mexico running around all over the place they're much freer they play in circumstances that we would consider absolutely deplorable But part of love is giving those you love the freedom of their own lives. If you are so possessive that you would feel yourself utterly crushed if an accident should happen to your child, it means you're not really loving your child at all. You're merely clutching your child as something that satisfies some need in you, which isn't necessarily love at all. So I do think we've got to be willing to take risks in a line of inquiry which is, after all, quite dangerous. Nothing is more dangerous than religion, when you really come down to it. Because it is in this domain, as I was saying this morning, that we formulate the key suppositions upon which we act. It is here that we generate common sense.
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Cultural Comparison
The speaker contrasts American parenting styles with those in Japan and Mexico, suggesting American children are “overprotected” compared to their counterparts abroad who enjoy greater freedom, even in what Americans might consider unsafe situations. This reflects a broader mid-20th century discussion about differing cultural values regarding childhood independence and risk tolerance.
[2195.32 s | 36:35]
Alan Watts
Now take for example, I'm just going to give an illustration, an idea like the following, and then you will realize how dangerous religion could be. Have you ever realized that in the Spanish Inquisition, the inquisitors were the sort of people whom we would regard in this day and age as the most eminent authorities? for example, the professor of surgery at a great medical school, or the chief astronomer at Palomar, or a physicist like Oppenheimer, the inquisitors had that sort of status in their own day and age. And they not merely believed, but they knew that people who suffered from heresy were going to be tortured forever and ever in hell That wasn't something you merely speculated about. It was in the current climate of opinion. You knew that that was what was going to happen. And therefore, first of all, out of kindness to these people, they had to be cured of heresy because their immortal souls were in danger. And so when you are up against a danger as extreme as that, any measures will do to achieve your result. And so they invented their own kind of shock treatment. And furthermore, another awful thing about heresy is that it's infectious.
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Proscenium Arch
A proscenium arch is the frame around the stage opening in a theater; placing a banner above it suggests a prominent, publicly visible statement of principles—in this case, “safety first.”
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Spanish Inquisition
The Spanish Inquisition (roughly 1478-1834) was a tribunal established by the Catholic Church to combat heresy. It is historically known for its use of torture and persecution, and serves here as an example of how authority figures can justify extreme measures based on deeply held beliefs about truth and danger.
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Oppenheimer
J. Robert Oppenheimer (1904-1967) was a theoretical physicist often called the “father of the atomic bomb” for his role in the Manhattan Project during World War II. His inclusion as an example of someone with high societal status highlights the speaker’s point about how respected figures can participate in harmful systems.
**The speaker shifts from discussing general power dynamics to a specific application: reframing mental illness as a form of social non-conformity. This contrasts with traditional medical models by suggesting pathology is constructed through societal norms and treatment often reinforces perceived illness.** The speaker proposes a speculative analogy between mental illness and historical heresy, suggesting that conditions labeled as pathology may represent non-conforming ways of experiencing life rather than inherent disease. He argues experience is not passively received but actively shaped by social norms, with deviations from these norms pathologized through medicalization. This model frames psychiatric treatment—particularly institutionalization—as a “degradation ceremony” that reinforces the perceived illness and inhibits potential healing or liberation. Instead, he posits an alternative approach of viewing such experiences as growth processes deserving support via an “initiation ceremony,” though acknowledges systemic barriers to this perspective within institutions where unconventional spiritual expression is often dismissed as further evidence of pathology, citing an example from a young man’s experience in the Air Force. The speaker emphasizes that behaviors are context-dependent and not intrinsic qualities of individuals, challenging conventional understandings of violence and psychological well-being.
[2289.77 s | 38:09]
Alan Watts
And you have to protect the community. I mean, today, imagine, just suppose a bubonic plague got going. What a disturbance there would be about cutting it off, isolating communities where this was breaking out. We would really go to it. Now, we say, of course, the... inquisition was something of the middle ages we don't do things like that anymore that just is unthinkable today but let me give you a thought now what i'm going to say now is a speculation it isn't necessarily something which i'm going to defend to the death but it's just an idea supposing it's still going on right in the middle of this community only we don't know what we're doing we don't recognize it of course we don't they didn't recognize it then The new form of heresy is called mental illness. One school of thought is called schizophrenia, rather like Protestantism used to be. There are others, paranoia, megalomania, all sorts of things. You must remember schizophrenia in particular is a very vague word. Nobody really knows what it is. But just entertain for a moment the idea that this is not a disease, but a heresy. It's a way of looking at life which just doesn't agree with other people's impressions.
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Bubonic Plague
The bubonic plague, also known as the Black Death, was a devastating pandemic that occurred multiple times throughout history, most notably in the 14th century. Its mention serves as an analogy for a contemporary threat requiring drastic measures like quarantine and isolation—mirroring the speaker’s argument about how societies respond to perceived dangers.
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Heresy
In religious contexts, heresy refers to beliefs or opinions that contradict established doctrine. The speaker extends this concept beyond religion to include “mental illness,” framing it as a deviation from accepted ways of thinking rather than a medical condition.
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Metaphorical Extension
The speaker uses the historical example of the Spanish Inquisition and its treatment of heretics as an extended metaphor for contemporary approaches to mental illness, suggesting parallels in how society identifies, isolates, and attempts to “cure” those deemed deviant. This is presented as a speculative thought experiment rather than a definitive claim.
[2384.28 s | 39:44]
Alan Watts
A way of feeling, a way of interpreting experience that is not in accordance with the orthodox kind of experience. One should realize, you see, that experience is not something simply passive. When we receive experience, it isn't just as if we were photographic plates or mirrors exposed to what is there. There are approved experiences and disapproved experiences, just as there are approved socially acceptable gestures and gestures that are not socially acceptable. So it is with experience. And we are very carefully trained to experience in certain ways. In other words, there are certain things that we just aren't allowed to feel And if by any chance these feelings should arise in people, like the typical joke question from a psychiatrist, do you ever have strange feelings? Then we say the person is in danger of a mental disease. Well now, Thomas Sass and others have made a very hard-headed, serious critique of of the whole idea of using a medical model for behaviour and experience variations which are not directly capable of being related to organic damage. And they're saying it's the wrong model. These people are not sick. They are protesting in some way.
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Schizophrenia
Schizophrenia is a chronic brain disorder that affects a person's ability to think, feel, and behave clearly. The speaker notes its vagueness as a diagnostic category,
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Challenging Medical Models of Mental Illness
The speaker critiques the prevailing medical approach to understanding behaviors and experiences deemed “abnormal,” suggesting that labeling someone as mentally ill can be a self-fulfilling prophecy rather than an objective diagnosis of disease. This reflects growing anti-psychiatry movements in the mid-20th century questioning institutional power dynamics and diagnostic categories.
[2486.26 s | 41:26]
Alan Watts
They may in fact be showing symptoms of a healing process that is going on and to treat it by trying to get rid of it would be like trying to cure chicken pox by cutting off the spots. Maybe these people are actually going through a painful process through which they are becoming liberated from a collective madness. And indeed, there are indications that the human race is collectively crazy, insofar as it is on a suicide course. And we could think of some other things too. But here is a hypothesis which could be tested. That when we get a person classified as mentally ill, we put him through a degradation ceremony. He is deprived of civil rights, and because he's crazy, anything he says will ipso facto be wrong and evidence of craziness. If he doesn't like this and starts to get obstreperous, then further restrictions are put on him. He is put in a solitary way, eventually he's trying to communicate, he's trying to say something, and he feels mistrustful of himself because everybody around him doubts him. Finally, he's reduced to being put naked in a padded cell where all he has to express himself with is excrement.
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Orthodox Experience
"Orthodox experience" refers to commonly accepted or socially sanctioned ways of perceiving and reacting to the world; experiences that align with societal norms and expectations. The speaker contrasts this with interpretations considered outside the mainstream, which are often pathologized.
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Thomas Szasz
Thomas Szasz was a psychiatrist whose work heavily influenced anti-psychiatry movements. He argued that “mental illness” is often a metaphor for behaviors society finds undesirable, rather than a genuine medical condition, and criticized the overuse of psychiatric diagnoses to control individuals.
[2575.46 s | 42:55]
Alan Watts
And we say, isn't that typical of the sad case that the fellow's in? But it's brought about by the circumstances. It's not the individual. It's the individual in a certain context, a context of total mistrust all around. One clinical psychologist at Tuscadero State Hospital was saying to me not so long ago, he said, you know, people always ask about a given person, is he violent? And a person isn't violent in the same way quite that a flower has five petals. He is violent in a certain context. And in that context, yes, violence will flare up. is he a good husband maybe he is but it also depends a bit on who he's married to it always takes two to make a quarrel so if instead you see of the degradation ceremony and saying you are sick immediately there's an encounter a psychiatric encounter the person is a patient and that means there's something wrong with him It used to be called wicked, you see, but now it's called sick. But supposing we worked another way, supposing, for the sake of argument, we thought of a person who is experiencing life in an unusual way as growing in some direction, but disturbed only because of the resistance of the social environment to this kind of growth.
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Degradation Ceremony
This term, coined by Harold Garfinkel in sociological studies of mental institutions, describes the process through which an individual’s identity is stripped away upon institutionalization. It involves the removal of personal possessions, civil rights, and social status, reinforcing a “sick” role and contributing to feelings of powerlessness.
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Metaphorical Language
The speaker uses metaphors like "photographic plates" and "chicken pox" to illustrate their points about experience and treatment. These comparisons aim to make complex ideas more accessible by relating them to everyday understandings.
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Tuscadero State Hospital
This is likely a fictional institution, used as an illustrative example rather than a reference to a specific real-world hospital. The speaker attributes a quote about contextual violence to a clinical psychologist there.
[2685.15 s | 44:45]
Alan Watts
And then we got this person into an institution where instead of going through a degradation ceremony, he would go through an initiation ceremony. And it would be made perfectly clear that something special was happening and the community is here to help him get through it and advance it and explore it. Maybe this is a religious crisis of some kind, spiritual crisis. But the trouble again is you see that in so many cases, whenever a patient in a mental hospital produces religious communications, then they know he's nuts. Especially if it has anything to do with oriental religions or weird things like that. I remember a case of a young man in the Air Force who attended a school where I was teaching. and he got deeply involved into oriental philosophy and he had a classical awakening experience but it was mighty strong stuff for him and because but he was in the air force and he went awol he couldn't care less about going through all these procedures and so on. And his entire job in the Air Force was some stupid thing. It wasn't connected with a plane. He never saw a plane. It was some kind of checking in and out at a desk somewhere.
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Shifting Language of Deviance
The speaker notes the historical shift from labeling “wicked” behavior to diagnosing it as “sick.” This reflects changing societal attitudes towards deviance and the increasing medicalization of social problems in the 20th century.
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Degradation Ceremony
In psychiatric settings, historically, a "degradation ceremony" involved rituals intended to strip patients of their identity and self-respect, often used in older institutional models. This contrasted with the speaker’s preferred approach of an “initiation ceremony” focused on support and exploration.
**The speaker shifts from discussing societal structures to exploring the boundaries between sanity and madness through a philosophical lens. This contrasts with previous discussion by examining fundamental assumptions about reality, knowledge, and decision-making processes beyond rational frameworks.** The conventional distinction between sanity and madness is challenged by observing instances where individuals labeled “crazy” demonstrate creative potential after societal rejection, suggesting an inversion of normative judgment. This subversion extends to a critique of fundamental assumptions about survival as a supreme good, exemplified by the initial tenets of Buddhism which viewed worldly pursuits as sources of torment. Religious inquiry, particularly explorations into basic assumptions, is presented as inherently dangerous and necessitating protective strategies like esotericism to avoid societal backlash. Successful mystics navigate this danger through skillful communication within conventional frameworks, contrasting with those deemed schizophrenic who lack such linguistic adaptability. Ultimately, human decision-making operates amidst irreducible uncertainty, relying on intuitive processes akin to computation—highlighted by the use of chance mechanisms like coin flipping—because rational analysis cannot account for infinite variables.
[2782.49 s | 46:22]
Alan Watts
Well, we couldn't handle him because he was the property of the Air Force. And the men in the white coats came along and they took him to hospital. And when he started talking about having studied oriental philosophy, they just said, oh, no, no, come now. And they put him away. Finally, he was returned to his family and they put him into an institution where he had two years of shock treatment and finally escaped and returned to the world as a very creative member of society, now engaged in a very important work. Well, there's a hypothesis. But you see how subversive it is. It simply turns things upside down, so far as we're ordinarily concerned. Sane people are mostly crazy, and crazy people are in certain cases on their way to becoming sane. Do you see what an inversion that is? Go back, however, in time, and you see that when the Buddha organized the Sangha, They were all dropouts. And they adopted as their standard costume the yellow robe worn by convicts. And said, well, we feel that the cosmology in which you people believe you're living in, that's the order of society and the order of the world, is pure agony.
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Shock Treatment (Electroconvulsive Therapy)
Also known as electroconvulsive therapy (ECT), shock treatment was a controversial psychiatric procedure involving inducing seizures through electrical stimulation of the brain, used extensively in the mid-20th century. While still practiced today under strict guidelines, its historical application often lacked those safeguards and carried significant risks and stigma.
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The Sangha
The Sangha refers to the Buddhist monastic community—the order of monks and nuns—established by the Buddha (Siddhartha Gautama). It represents a core component of the "Three Jewels" of Buddhism: the Buddha, the Dharma (teachings), and the Sangha.
[2882.74 s | 48:02]
Alan Watts
you're trying to solve unreal and illusory problems, you think that by acquiring what you think is security, what you think is happiness, is merely a way of tormenting yourself. And if you're sane at all, you'll stop doing it, you'll drop out. Do you realize Buddhism in its initial form as far as one can tell, is a critique of the notion that survival is the supreme good. It's never been proved that it's good to survive. You know, there's really a choice whether you want to end up with a bang or a whimper. Some people would say it is good when something burns at a slow rate for a long time. That's good. Other people would say, no, no, no, that's boring. We want an enormous flash. And that'll be that. That's why lots of people love to do dangerous things. They feel more intensely alive than people who play it careful. So I'm merely putting these suggestions out simply as a way of indicating that the realm of religious inquiry, the realm of investigating our basic, basic assumptions,
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Early Buddhist Practices
The speaker highlights that early Buddhists intentionally adopted practices considered unconventional or even transgressive for their time, such as wearing robes traditionally associated with criminals. This was a deliberate rejection of societal norms and values seen as causing suffering.
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"Awakening Experience"
The phrase “awakening experience” refers to a central concept in many spiritual traditions, particularly Buddhism, denoting a profound shift in consciousness or understanding of reality. It often involves insights into the nature of self, existence, and suffering.
[2968.02 s | 49:28]
Alan Watts
is a very dangerous adventure therefore many people who carry on these things learn the art of protective coloring and it is called esotericism the reason for the esoteric for a cautious attitude for not telling everything only to the initiate sort of thing is that if the world at large found out what those people were really doing, it would have the screaming memes. And you have to do the same thing. But do it consciously. That means cultivating, at the same time as you carry on such inquiries, great academic respectability. it's immensely important to have people going around in white coats to have when you do any practical investigations into religion have plenty of scientific instruments by all means get a computer whether you use it or not because these are magical objects which will protect you in the same way as hex signs and always be able to speak the right language See, that's the trouble. When a person has schizophrenia, he gets into difficulty. His difficulty is he can't talk the right language. A person who is what you might call a successful and adaptive mystic knows how to talk to people in their everyday language.
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Subversion of Norms
The speaker repeatedly frames mental health paradigms as inherently subversive, challenging conventional understandings of sanity and madness. This suggests a critical perspective on societal definitions of normalcy and the potential for alternative perspectives to offer valuable insight.
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Esotericism
Esotericism refers to knowledge intended for or understood by only a small number of people with specialized interest or knowledge; it’s often associated with secret doctrines and practices. In this context, it's presented as a form of "protective coloring" – concealing potentially disruptive discoveries about the nature of reality from the wider public.
[3069.98 s | 51:09]
Alan Watts
And he doesn't startle them, except in, say, in Zen circles. Now, why is it when you study Zen that all these dialogues sound so funny? They sound absolutely nutty. Well, Zen masters did not, as a rule, carry on that sort of conversation with people who weren't studying Zen. When you meet these people, they are perfectly ordinary, able to handle the world in a very competent way and relate to anyone. And it's only in the protected environment of the Zen school that there are occasions under which anything goes, and you are expected to react to a certain situation without stopping to think. You see, what you're doing, just to illustrate this sort of process, you're learning to trust your own brain. And people who have only learned to think verbally don't trust their brains. They say, wait a minute, I have time to think that out, which means arrange a word order. or a number order. That's thinking it out. But one of the great difficulties of life is that there isn't time to think things out, except very trivial things where an immediate decision is not important. How does one make decisions? Well, you gather a lot of evidence and facts and a lot of advice.
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Protective Coloring & Secrecy
The speaker frames exploration of esoteric knowledge as “dangerous” and necessitating secrecy to avoid societal backlash (“screaming memes”). This reflects anxieties around challenging established norms, particularly regarding religion or psychology, and a concern for personal safety when pursuing unconventional ideas.
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Zen Buddhism & Koans
The speaker references the seemingly nonsensical dialogues common in Zen Buddhist practice (koans). These are designed to bypass logical thought and encourage intuitive understanding through direct experience, rather than intellectual analysis; they are typically used within the context of formal Zen training.
[3161.87 s | 52:41]
Alan Watts
And then you add it all up and you think, well, we can knock out this possibility and this possibility. We won't do that. We come down to two things we might do. And the evidence on both sides is that either might be all right and either might be terribly wrong. Let's flip a coin. We do that all the time because in any human situation there are always infinitely many non-measurable variables which may upset the best laid plans. You sign a contract and you rely on this firm and so on, but you don't know if the president's not going to slip on a banana skin or have an automobile accident. There's no way of figuring that out. So you flip coins. The Chinese invented a 64-sided coin for flipping, or the Book of Changes. I sometimes think it has more possibility than a merely two-sided coin. So, the point is here, we do have in the human brain an extraordinary computer which can work at terrific speed.
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Intuitive Decision-Making
The speaker contrasts verbal/analytical thinking with a more immediate, intuitive form of decision-making that relies on gathering evidence and then trusting one’s “brain” to process it quickly. This is presented as necessary because real-life situations often lack the time for careful deliberation.
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I Ching (Book of Changes)
The speaker mentions the I Ching, an ancient Chinese divination text using 64 hexagrams, created by flipping coins or yarrow stalks. It’s described as a more complex alternative to a simple coin flip, representing a sophisticated system for acknowledging and incorporating unpredictable variables into decision-making.
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The Role of "Scientific Instruments"
The speaker's suggestion to use “scientific instruments” (including computers) even if not directly utilized is paradoxical; it’s presented as a form of social camouflage – appearing credible by adopting the trappings of mainstream academic inquiry while pursuing unconventional research.
Beyond Symbolic Thought: Direct Experience and Awareness
53:58
**The speaker shifts from discussing brain intelligence to exploring limitations imposed by symbolic thought and conceptualization. He proposes that direct experience, cultivated through practices like Judo or meditation, allows for a broader awareness unconstrained by the filtering effects of language and analysis.** The human brain’s capacity for homeostasis and spontaneous action suggests an inherent intelligence often exceeding conscious understanding, prompting a focus on “brain trusting” through experiential practices like Judo. This emphasis on immediate response contrasts with a culturally reinforced reliance on symbolic thought—words, numbers—which cultivates a specialized, scanning form of attention that selectively identifies and notates noteworthy environmental features. Consequently, individuals operate with restricted consciousness, limiting processing capacity to one variable at a time and hindering responsiveness in complex situations requiring rapid decision-making. Expanding awareness beyond this narrowed focus, as exemplified by organ playing or Buddhist jhāna, involves observing internal and external environments without conceptualization, recognizing that perceived separateness is ultimately a product of thought rather than inherent reality. This suspension of concepts allows for direct neurological “digestion” of experience, bypassing the self-referential loop of symbolic representation.
[3238.87 s | 53:58]
Alan Watts
and um come up with some awfully sensible things because after all it is this brain that regulates the whole homeostasis of the human body which uh is an astounding organization and the thing that really proves how clever our brains are is that our best neurologists can't understand so you obviously got to trust your own brain because if you can't trust your own brain there's nothing you can trust So a lot of these experiments that are being done are experiments in brain trusting. In learning to act spontaneously and make instant decisions without hesitation. It's for this reason that Zen got connected with the practice of Judo. Because in Judo, you've got to act before you think. Because if you stop to think, it's too late. And Judo is not merely building in reflexes. because you can only build in a certain number of reflexes, and then you wait for an enemy to attack you in a way for which you haven't learned a reflex, and then you're in trouble. It is actually, as it were, cultivating a kind of complex perception and intelligence which we don't ordinarily exercise in a culture which overvalues thinking.
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Homeostasis
This refers to the body’s ability to maintain internal stability—regulating temperature, heart rate, blood pressure, and other vital functions—despite changes in external conditions; it is a key function regulated by the brain.
[3323.14 s | 55:23]
Alan Watts
That is to say, using, negotiating life primarily with the aids of words, numbers and similar symbols. Now I can put this another way and you will see in this sort of thing, any of you with any psychological or scientific training will immediately see possibilities for experiments. The thing that seems to have happened in the development of language is that we've learned to identify ourselves our ego with a peculiar and restricted use of perception or conscious attention when we were little children and we were in classrooms And, you know, we were goofing off and looking all over the place and picking our noses and throwing spitballs at people. The teacher had slammed the desk and said, pay attention! And all the kids know exactly what to do. They wrap their legs around the leg of the chair and stare at the teacher. Because then they look as if they're paying attention. Actually, they're not. They're thinking about paying attention, but they're not necessarily listening to the lesson. How do you force yourself to listen? Because that's a distraction from listening. In order to concentrate, you've got to trust your mind. You've got to let go and let the information come in.
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Brain Trusting
The speaker describes “brain trusting” as experiments designed to encourage spontaneous action and quick decision-making without overthinking, suggesting a method of bypassing conscious analysis for more intuitive responses.
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Zen & Judo
The connection between Zen Buddhism and Judo is rooted in the emphasis on instinct and immediate reaction; both disciplines prioritize acting without conscious thought, allowing for a more fluid and effective response to dynamic situations.
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Overvaluing Thinking
The speaker contrasts modern culture’s reliance on intellectual analysis with a state of more natural perception, suggesting that excessive focus on words and numbers can hinder direct experience and intuitive understanding.
[3427.03 s | 57:07]
Alan Watts
If you want to remember, you've got to simply assume that you will remember instead of hammering the phrases into your head. Assume that you've got a memory. Trust it. So what has happened is something like this, as far as I can see. We've specialized in a form of awareness and attention which is rather like the scanning process of radar. And we constantly scan our environment. We select those features of the environment that we consider noteworthy. that they have some sort of significance. And for those, we have a notation. See, what is notable has a notation. Make a note of it. So words are designed to pick out those features of the environment. We have names for the things that we think are noteworthy. Like the tailor. I went to see the Pope, and I said, what was he like? Oh, he said he was about a size 40. Noteworthy to the tailor. What's important about rabbits? Are they cuddly? Good for fur coats? Or for a stewed rabbit, you see? It's whether you're a cook or a furrier or a child looking at the thing. So, quite obviously, we see, we perceive an enormous number of things that we don't notice.
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Ego & Perception
The speaker proposes that the development of language leads to a narrowing of perceptual awareness, as children learn to associate attention with specific behaviors (like staring at a teacher) rather than open observation.
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Radar Analogy
The comparison of human awareness to radar scanning highlights how we selectively focus on certain aspects of our environment while filtering out others, based on perceived significance or “noteworthiness.”
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Notation & Significance
The speaker illustrates how language functions by assigning "notations" (words) to features deemed significant; this process is subjective and depends on individual perspectives and roles—as exemplified by the tailor’s focus on size.
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Noteworthy
This term, repeatedly used by the speaker, refers to elements of the environment that are considered important or deserving of attention based on personal context, needs, or profession.
[3519.84 s | 58:39]
Alan Watts
If you're a husband and you go out to some meeting and the lady is there and you go back home and your wife says, was Mrs. So-and-so there? You say, yes, I was talking to her. Well, what was she wearing? And the fadest idea. You saw, but you didn't notice. So, as a result of this, you see, we are using a restricted consciousness. And we say, as a result of using that, you can only think of one thing at a time. Well, one thing at a time is too slow. Most people cannot deal with more than three variables without using a pencil. You learn something more than that when you start playing the organ and you've got two keyboards and you've got different rhythms going for each hand and another rhythm going for each foot. See, you're beginning to loosen up a bit then. You are becoming unrigid. But there are all sorts of critical things happening all the time on which we have to decide so suddenly that there's no time to think in the ordinary way. But many people are somehow peculiarly gifted at acting intelligently under such circumstances. Because you're more intelligent than you think. So this sort of inquiry means
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Selective Perception
The final lines emphasize that we constantly perceive far more than we consciously notice, suggesting a vast amount of unfiltered sensory information exists beyond our focused awareness.
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Limited Attention & Consciousness
The speaker begins with an everyday example – a husband’s inability to recall details about a woman he encountered at a meeting – to illustrate the concept of “restricted consciousness,” suggesting people often filter their perceptions without fully registering them. This limited attention, they argue, hinders our ability to process information efficiently and react quickly.
[3611.20 s | 60:11]
Alan Watts
When I say a scientific approach to non-verbal intelligence, non-symbolic intelligence, that's what's called, that's the whole point in a Buddhistic, Daoistic, and a great deal of Hindu practice, is called the state of jhāna, which is the attitude of observing the environment, both the interior environment of the organism and the external environment of nature, without thinking about it. Now, ordinarily, you see, this sounds like stupidity. But it's only by thinking that I can say, I'm different from you. A baby knows you're no more different from me than my head is different from my feet. Well, sure, the feet are different from the head because it's all one body, but the body polarizes itself in different aspects. But my experience of you is the state of my nervous system. I know you by digesting you neurologically. You know me the same way. It's mutual. So the separateness of things is conceptual. And it's necessary to suspend concepts. This is very important academically because you can get to the point where a library is nothing but a self-reading concept machine in which books are about books are about books are about books are about books.
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Jhāna
The speaker introduces jhāna (pronounced "jhaa-na"), a term from Buddhist, Daoist, and Hindu traditions referring to a state of meditative absorption where one observes the environment—both internal sensations and external nature—without analytical thought. They acknowledge this may sound counterintuitive ("like stupidity") but frames it as essential for perceiving reality directly.
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The Organ Analogy
The speaker uses playing the organ with multiple keyboards and foot pedals as a metaphor for expanding consciousness beyond single-tasking, suggesting that complex activities can train individuals to process more information simultaneously and become less “rigid” in their thinking.
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Information Theory
The speaker references "information theory," a field of study concerned with quantifying, storing, and communicating information. They highlight the problem of exponential growth in scientific literature, leading to an overwhelming amount of data that requires constant summarization ("digests of digests") and new storage methods like microfilms.
**The speaker shifts from discussing the benefits of scientific progress to its potential drawbacks—specifically, information overload. This transition highlights a growing disconnect between researchers and direct experience due to the sheer volume of accumulated knowledge.** The accelerating production of scientific information is creating a situation analogous to an endlessly fragmenting body of knowledge, requiring increasingly complex layers of condensation simply to remain aware of its scope. This process of distillation—digests of digests—presents practical challenges related to storage and the sheer cognitive burden imposed upon researchers. Beyond manageability, however, lies a more fundamental problem: this relentless accumulation risks severing intellectual work from direct engagement with the physical world. The speaker illustrates this detachment through analogy, comparing it to an unending monologue that precludes genuine dialogue or new input, suggesting continuous thought similarly isolates one from external reality and fresh perspectives. Ultimately, a cessation of constant processing is posited as necessary for meaningful cognition.
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Alan Watts
It's sort of disintegrating like a great cheese. It has mitosis. And so these poor PhD students are grubbing around, writing volumes about other volumes, and they're making condensations of it. See, this is one of the great problems in information theory. In certain fields of science, so much information is coming out that nobody can possibly read it. And so you have to make digests. And that means later digests of digests. And then where are we going to store the stuff? Well, we've got to have microfilms and new kinds of miniaturization of data. We should call it captor rather than data. But what about it? Well, the difficulty in that is not only it's becoming unmanageable, and again the difficulty of thought coping with something that requires speed, but also... that it's slowly moving away from reality. By reality, I mean what we call the physical world. And consequently, it's exactly the same situation as if I never stop talking. If I do that, you see, I never hear what anybody else has to say. Now, it's the same problem for a person who never stops thinking. He never has anything to think about except thinking. You've got to stop thinking.
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Conceptual Separateness
The speaker argues that our sense of separation between ourselves and others is not inherent but rather a product of conceptual thinking; we experience each other neurologically, through the processing of sensory information, creating a mutual connection. Suspending these concepts is presented as crucial for understanding this interconnectedness.